From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14800 invoked by alias); 12 Feb 2014 18:31:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 14788 invoked by uid 89); 12 Feb 2014 18:31:35 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: mail-out.apple.com Received: from bramley.apple.com (HELO mail-out.apple.com) (17.151.62.49) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:31:35 +0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Received: from relay6.apple.com ([17.128.113.90]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTP id <0N0W00J51BGFPVE2@mail-out.apple.com> for gcc@gcc.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from chicory.apple.com (chicory.apple.com [17.128.115.99]) (using TLS with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay6.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id CC.82.05772.50EBBF25; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:31:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from da0603a-dhcp84.apple.com (da0603a-dhcp84.apple.com [17.226.35.84]) by chicory.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01 (7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Nov 17 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0N0W00EUNBGK7G20@chicory.apple.com> for gcc@gcc.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:31:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LLVMdev] Zero-cost toolchain "standardization" process From: Chris Lattner In-reply-to: Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:31:00 -0000 Cc: LLVM Dev , gcc Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <65D8EC15-6C1B-4EE3-8EB7-96FB5E02D99E@apple.com> References: To: Renato Golin X-IsSubscribed: yes X-SW-Source: 2014-02/txt/msg00168.txt.bz2 On Feb 11, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Renato Golin wrote: > Hi Folks, >=20 > First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for their great responses and > heart warming encouragement for such an enterprise. This will be my > last email about this subject on these lists, so I'd like to just let > everyone know what (and where) I'll be heading next with this topic. > Feel free to reply to me personally, I don't want to span an ugly > two-list thread. Renato, thank you for spearheading this, but please do not cross post to bo= th lists like this. Among other problems it is a severe pain for moderatio= n. I=92m a fan of your goals, but I=92d like to point out that we have already= solved this problem in various ways. For example, C++ ABI issues are deal= t with quite well across GCC, LLVM, and many other compilers on the =93itan= ium=94 ABI mailing list. It=92s a great example of a list hosted in a =93n= eutral=94 place that many compiler vendors are on, including commercial one= s. Why don=92t you just set up a few similar mailing lists to cover related to= pics (toolchain topics, language extensions, etc) and encourage the right p= eople to join them? I feel like you=92re turning a simple problem into a c= omplex one. -Chris