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From: Matt Austern <austern@apple.com>
To: Joe Buck <Joe.Buck@synopsys.com>
Cc: Andrew Pinski <pinskia@physics.uc.edu>,
	gcc mailing list <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: generalized lvalues
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:37:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <68A0DBA9-3923-11D9-8BD2-000A95BCF344@apple.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041117212847.A26376@synopsys.com>

On Nov 17, 2004, at 9:28 PM, Joe Buck wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 08:21:21PM -0800, Matt Austern wrote:
>> Yep, and I'm still not arguing against removing it.  I'm just asking
>> for help in collecting a list of the reasons why we chose to get rid 
>> of
>> it.  I don't think this discussion will go away, and having that list
>> will be helpful.  I think a number of us will be asked: (a) why did
>> this extension disappear; and (b) how should I change my code to cope
>> with the disappearance.  I'd like to be prepared with answers to those
>> questions.
>
> I doubt if you will get the flood of questions you anticipate, because
> few people even knew that the extension was there.  It is possible that
> someone has a production program that is not valid C++ that will now
> break, but if this happens we just tell them how to fix the program.

I hope you're right.  I take the pessimistic view that there are lots of
programmers who have no idea what the language definition is for
the language they're using, but just throw code at the compiler until
the compiler produces an executable that seems to work.  So I think
there may be some people who are using the cast-as-lvalue
extension even if they don't know what a cast or an lvalue is.

			--matt

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-18  5:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-18  3:50 Matt Austern
2004-11-18  3:52 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:01 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:18   ` Daniel Berlin
2004-11-18  4:21   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:27     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18  7:15       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-18  7:37         ` Matt Austern [this message]
2004-11-18 13:17           ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-11-18 17:57           ` Joe Buck
2004-11-18 18:28         ` Mike Stump
2004-11-18 18:44           ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  1:39             ` Mike Stump
2004-11-19  4:52               ` Matt Austern
2004-11-19 22:24                 ` Michael Matz
2004-11-19 22:30                   ` Robert McNulty Junior
2004-11-20  1:00                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-20  1:20                     ` Joe Buck
2004-11-20  1:51                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-20  5:04                         ` Joe Buck
2004-11-20  5:17                           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 20:54                             ` generalized lvalues -- patch outline Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 21:01                               ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-22 21:11                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 21:39                                 ` Matt Austern
2004-11-22 22:11                                   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-22 22:12                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23  0:06                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:04                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:27                                     ` Mike Stump
2004-11-24 20:40                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2004-11-23  0:11                                   ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:19                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23  1:26                                       ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:32                                         ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  1:42                                           ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:45                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23  1:55                                             ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  1:56                                               ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23  2:12                                                 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  2:10                                               ` Marcus G. Daniels
2004-11-23  9:43                                       ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 18:27                                       ` Aaron W. LaFramboise
2004-11-22 21:23                               ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-22 22:33                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-23  0:09                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  9:54                                   ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 13:35                                     ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 14:56                                       ` Daniel Berlin
2004-11-23 15:02                                         ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 15:15                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23 15:47                                             ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 15:56                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 15:50                                             ` Steve Naroff
2004-11-23 15:51                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 16:50                                             ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 17:01                                               ` Paul Koning
2004-11-23 17:16                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-23 18:03                                                 ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 18:30                                                   ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 18:57                                                     ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 21:21                                                   ` Paul Koning
2004-11-23 21:52                                                     ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 15:51                                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 16:12                                             ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 16:31                                               ` Richard Guenther
2004-11-23 16:44                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-23 20:16                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 15:01                                       ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 15:09                                         ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 19:11                                         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23 21:10                                           ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 21:34                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-23 22:09                                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-23 22:23                                         ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 22:27                                           ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-24  0:05                                             ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-24  0:07                                               ` Steven Bosscher
2004-11-24  0:32                                               ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-25  8:41                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-11-25 20:41                                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-25 21:54                                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-25 23:27                                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-29 18:06                                                       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-29 18:57                                                         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23 23:27                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 22:24                                       ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23  0:07                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-24 20:43                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2004-11-24 23:09                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-24 23:17                                       ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-22 21:31                               ` Richard Henderson
2004-11-23  0:11                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:03                               ` Jonathan Lennox
2004-11-20  1:40                     ` generalized lvalues Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-18 19:11           ` Alex Rosenberg
2004-11-18  4:24   ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18  5:33 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-18 17:14 ` Fariborz Jahanian
2004-11-18 18:23   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  0:20     ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  0:40       ` Steven Bosscher
2004-11-19  1:20       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  2:00         ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:36 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:37   ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18 23:49     ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19  1:38       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  2:52         ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19  3:56           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  4:22             ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19 13:10         ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-19 21:58           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:44   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18 23:45   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-25  4:42 ` Aaron W. LaFramboise

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