From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1035.google.com (mail-pj1-x1035.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FF6A394742F for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 14:41:27 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 1FF6A394742F Received: by mail-pj1-x1035.google.com with SMTP id ot17-20020a17090b3b51b0290109c9ac3c34so3302599pjb.4 for ; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 07:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=nBVs465dc5b5MSPA/CEqWUWms+PTPgix/Fbi3Mu79Jg=; b=fLquoIIf+F+Fr/skYzHgSvwrRix2uyUEMJV995ljuU9WE5+0FM5fdqSJNQ08pP3jKG Z0pgkwut7s7fbTbfp9U7dRWGH8zNA3cRFi4zsToWZKQ7a2fVxYgA/YPMr8q1zkd1ZOsK WJJ5M8egWH6Bg9ThyNaAxgSxzr6jUanxB040IpLT/5iSRWhuRrBullcolCTmwtpn6nm4 FFH8dl6FYYY/1BfHDgOrvHDH6GDr+RdJE4o7xHjIikDgJL8jyNZEa6oCDKSGLEcyGcVi nQ5lnEROiVBz4YxMYatH/1XdNr5kV3v9e821LxTs0ApJVS65FgAwH09P2+/sPCSjC/Ix VzMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Lv70cPtbiPki8qWGfUc9rH/XS42su6VXKZA7sbLsJZomnzgQ6 +p+ST9W1q8wzXk/PwxLB1TzJF/JSQEerOg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwwOvMP3LaV/4ZboKoEJ/IgqRiVM0KDJVojS4BWUhNHM8pCg8/aEbLR54V0f7nLZNAno/LwMQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:361:b029:e9:8392:7abd with SMTP id 88-20020a1709020361b02900e983927abdmr4755830pld.8.1617892885800; Thu, 08 Apr 2021 07:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.31.0.175] (c-98-202-48-222.hsd1.ut.comcast.net. [98.202.48.222]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w75sm5823852pfc.135.2021.04.08.07.41.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Apr 2021 07:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Default debug format for AVR To: Simon Marchi , David Edelsohn , Richard Biener Cc: GCC Development References: <2cbc9ee0-31bf-f933-758f-8e5ebe8eab0e@polymtl.ca> <3d21f80d-6747-23fc-ab2c-3ebb53d5dd45@polymtl.ca> <7EFD1A72-F0EB-494E-92BF-92DE932B1CCE@gmail.com> <8e6f1f9b-13cf-c82c-a67b-b35cde4e2e31@polymtl.ca> From: Jeff Law Message-ID: <6ee7a0a1-1c2f-97a5-b169-e01ea4439f17@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 08:41:23 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8e6f1f9b-13cf-c82c-a67b-b35cde4e2e31@polymtl.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 14:41:28 -0000 On 4/8/2021 8:06 AM, Simon Marchi via Gcc wrote: > On 2021-04-08 9:11 a.m., David Edelsohn wrote: >>>> AIX continues to use and support STABS, although it is transitioning >>>> to DWARF. If this is intended as a general statement about removal of >>>> STABS support in GCC, >>> Yes, it is. >>> >>> Richard. >> Richard, >> >> It is inappropriate to unilaterally make this decision without >> discussion with all affected ports and maintainers, without warning, >> and without deprecation. I request that you rescind this decision. >> >> It is somewhat ironic to act as a dictator when we are having a >> discussion about dictatorial behavior in GCC leadership. > I don't really want to start such a debate about GCC politics. If stabs > is not ready to be deleted, that's fine. But it would be good to go > through all targets for which it is the default (like avr), and see if > they are ready to be switched to DWARF. That's a baby step towards > eventually deleting it. Agreed.  I'd bet AIX is the outlier here and that most, if not all, other ports that may currently be stabs-by-default can switch to dwarf-by-default with no significant fallout.  So we fix everything we can while we wait for AIX to move forward. jeff