From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAAE43956C31 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2021 09:44:12 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org EAAE43956C31 Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id k5-20020a05600c1c85b02901affeec3ef8so3878857wms.0 for ; Wed, 09 Jun 2021 02:44:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=oUS23AqXnQ/ZA53Q+iymdmDVbM24C6UYkkvQ0Cdftmc=; b=gT2clj09lUzlcFmW5/diHOJbEAJj8PA3NH1843mq9aPBYy9Q7e896SijUn7Uw9f4rl bT7xPAxtPAEm0/xS607V+ZVNVFmv0AheumQa0l5Rus9T+VSGjeNeIM7lSE6odxQFyMxI Odi8I0qu/Twde+Q8jkCrCfBILjkuixGSQTaP3+f3YretD+U6jjZEydRtqluR0a/EGbAr qInz5OQa7W9OpSpzk9cyAD6sBy8QCTqf5GzVFPp0YUPINcIadWiITk0oTk/zTqNMiqb3 T3jM355pSP71ReGLAw4iwosAHOl//QQOb33pec0Q4g9OilDcLZZ7MKFF8JtXwefyBwAo i8tw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Ik/ZhVt69uzQaIplIMiD7FK5OyGFRl0JhSNF30xIyg98oossF AL+KJU8Ag1/yE6385l5Gf+7Dfk/bJyLiYA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx+HMiVg/3AwhCpbjkFQKqXV7EIHu5r35sYR/ts1Vp4ri2zXh83CdK7HiTF9uo8ifDEBZebzQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:1553:: with SMTP id f19mr2308638wmg.158.1623231851893; Wed, 09 Jun 2021 02:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.19.0.5] ([188.241.83.106]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n10sm10527421wri.77.2021.06.09.02.44.11 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Jun 2021 02:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: GCC Mission Statement To: Valentino Giudice , Siddhesh Poyarekar Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <5ed046a2-a2f1-f5e3-7399-dbf31808b8ef@gotplt.org> From: Gabriel Ravier Message-ID: <736215d3-72b8-b2e2-f406-80d3d38688e0@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 11:44:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2021 09:44:14 -0000 On 6/9/21 7:09 AM, Valentino Giudice via Gcc wrote: > If the Steering Committee updates the mission statement, it may appear > that the mission statement follows the decisions of the steering > committee (in place of the contrary). In that case, what would be the > purpose of a mission statement? In essence, a mission statement is just that, a statement of the mission that the SC aims to follow. If the SC wishes to change that mission, it follows that the statement should be adjusted to adapt. The statement serves as any other statement serves: it gives information to others. Of course, the mission statement is also binding on the SC itself, in a more social way: If it does not wish to lose faith of the GCC community, it should not go against the mission statement nor should it change it recklessly. Speaking on the "change it recklessly" issue, I would personally say that SC has indeed arguably done this: I believe there should have been discussion of this change in the mailing list before it occurred, as essentially the only discussion on the mailing list that could have implied something like this would happen was the discussion from a while back about RMS and the FSF where some people threatened to pull away from GCC entirely if it remained tied to the FSF. I personally happen to agree with the change (which seems to have especially avoided what would have been a painful split that could have had disastrous consequences for GCC as a whole), but find it rather disconcerting that such changes with potentially major consequences were done without any direct discussion of them with the community whatsoever.