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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Martin Uecker <uecker@tugraz.at>, Joseph Myers <joseph@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Ingo Schwarze <schwarze@usta.de>,
	JeanHeyd Meneide <wg14@soasis.org>,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Various pages: SYNOPSIS: Use VLA syntax in function parameters
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:05:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <81d27449-8be8-c0bc-b101-b9da69958d03@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0e43ab7c-f678-8656-74a3-fd1d42126ddd@gmail.com>


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On 11/13/22 17:56, Alejandro Colomar wrote:>>> On 11/13/22 17:28, Alejandro 
Colomar wrote:
>>>> SYNOPSIS:
>>>>
>>>> unary-operator:  . identifier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DESCRIPTION:
>>>>
>>>> -  It is not an lvalue.
>>>>
>>>>     -  This means sizeof() and _Lengthof() cannot be applied to them.
>>>
>>> Sorry, the above is a thinko.
>>>
>>> I wanted to say that, like sizeof() and _Lengthof(), you can't assign to it.
>>>
>>>>     -  This prevents ambiguity with a designator in an initializer-list 
>>>> within a nested braced-initializer.
>>>>
>>>> -  The type of a .identifier is always an incomplete type.
>>
>> Or rather, more easily prohibit explicitly using typeof(), sizeof(), and 
>> _Lengthof() to it.
> 
> Hmm, this is not enough.  Pointer arithmetics are interesting, and for that, you 
> need to implicitly know the sizeof(*.p).
> 
> How about allowing only integral types or pointers to integral types?

I've been thinking about keeping the number of passes as low as possible, while 
allowing most useful expressions:

Maybe forcing some ordering can help:

-  The type of a .initializer is complete after the opening parenthesis of the 
function-declarator (if it refers to a parameter) or after the opening brace of 
a braced-initializer, if it refers to a struct/union member, except when the 
type is a variably-modified type, which will be complete after the closing 
parenthesis or brace respectively.

I'm not sure I got the wording precisely, or if I covered all cases (like types 
that cannot be completed for other reasons, even after the closing ')' or '}'.

> 
>>
>>>>
>>>>     -  This prevents circular dependencies involving sizeof() or _Lengthof().
>>>>
>>>> -  Shadowing rules apply.
>>>>
>>>>     -  This prevents ambiguity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> EXAMPLES:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -  Valid examples (libc):
>>>>
>>>>         int
>>>>         strncmp(const char s1[.n],
>>>>                 const char s2[.n],
>>>>                 size_t n);
>>>>
>>>>         int
>>>>         cacheflush(void addr[.nbytes],
>>>>                    int nbytes,
>>>>                    int cache);
>>>>
>>>>         long
>>>>         mbind(void addr[.len],
>>>>               unsigned long len,
>>>>               int mode,
>>>>               const unsigned long nodemask[(.maxnode + ULONG_WIDTH ‐ 1)
>>>>                                            / ULONG_WIDTH],
>>>>               unsigned long maxnode, unsigned int flags);
>>>>
>>>>         void *
>>>>         bsearch(const void key[.size],
>>>>                 const void base[.size * .nmemb],
>>>>                 size_t nmemb,
>>>>                 size_t size,
>>>>                 int (*compar)(const void [.size], const void [.size]));
>>>>
>>>> -  Valid examples (my own):
>>>>
>>>>         void
>>>>         ustr2str(char dst[restrict .len + 1],
>>>>                  const char src[restrict .len],
>>>>                  size_t len);
>>>>
>>>>         char *
>>>>         stpecpy(char dst[.end - .dst + 1],
>>>>                 char *restrict src,
>>>>                 char end[1]);
>>>>
>>>> -  Valid examples (from this thread):
>>>>
>>>>     -
>>>>         struct s { int a; };
>>>>         void f(int a, int b[((struct s) { .a = 1 }).a]);
>>>>
>>>>         Explanation:
>>>>         -  Because of shadowing rules, .a=1 refers to the struct member.
>>>>            -  Also, if .a referred to the parameter, it would be an rvalue, 
>>>> so it wouldn't be valid to assign to it.
>>>>         -  (...).a refers to the struct member too, since otherwise an 
>>>> rvalue is not expected there.
>>>>
>>>>     -
>>>>         void foo(struct bar { int x; char c[.x] } a, int x);
>>>>
>>>>         Explanation:
>>>>         -  Because of shadowing rules, [.x] refers to the struct member.
>>>>
>>>>     -
>>>>         struct bar { int y; };
>>>>         void foo(char p[((struct bar){ .y = .x }).y], int x);
>>>>
>>>>         Explanation:
>>>>         -  .x unambiguously refers to the parameter.
>>>>
>>>> -  Undefined behavior:
>>>>
>>>>     -
>>>>         struct bar { int y; };
>>>>         void foo(char p[((struct bar){ .y = .y }).y], int y);
>>>>
>>>>         Explanation:
>>>>         -  Because of shadowing rules, =.y refers to the struct member.
>>>>         -  .y=.y means initialize the member with itself (uninitialized use).
>>>>         -  (...).y refers to the struct member, since otherwise an rvalue is 
>>>> not expected there.
>>>>
>>>> -  Constraint violations:
>>>>
>>>>     -
>>>>         void foo(char (*a)[sizeof *.b], char (*b)[sizeof *.a]);
>>>>
>>>>         Explanation:
>>>>         -  sizeof(*.b): Cannot get size of incomplete type.
>>>>         -  sizeof(*.a): Cannot get size of incomplete type.
>>>>
>>>>     -
>>>>         void f(size_t s, int a[sizeof(1) = 1]);
>>>>
>>>>         Explanation:
>>>>         -  Cannot assign to rvalue.
>>>>
>>>>     -
>>>>         void f(size_t s, int a[.s = 1]);
>>>>
>>>>         Explanation:
>>>>         -  Cannot assign to rvalue.
>>>>
>>>>     -
>>>>         void f(size_t s, int a[sizeof(.s)]);

This should actually be valid.

>>>>
>>>>         Explanation:
>>>>         -  sizeof(.s): Cannot get size of incomplete type.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does this idea make sense to you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Alex
>>>
>>
> 

-- 
<http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/>

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2022-09-02 21:57               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-03 12:47                 ` Martin Uecker
2022-09-03 13:29                   ` Ingo Schwarze
2022-09-03 15:08                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-03 13:41                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-03 14:35                     ` Martin Uecker
2022-09-03 14:59                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-03 15:31                         ` Martin Uecker
2022-09-03 20:02                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-05 14:31                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10  0:06                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10  0:09                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10  1:33                             ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-10  1:39                               ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-10  6:21                                 ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-10 10:09                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 23:19                                   ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-10 23:28                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-11 19:52                                     ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-12  1:09                                       ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12  7:24                                         ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-12 12:34                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 12:46                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 13:03                                       ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 13:40                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 13:58                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 14:54                                           ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 15:35                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 17:02                                               ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 17:08                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 15:56                                             ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-13 13:19                                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 13:33                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 14:02                                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 14:58                                                     ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-13 15:15                                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 15:32                                                         ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-13 16:25                                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 16:28                                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 16:31                                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 16:34                                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 16:56                                                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 19:05                                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2022-11-14 18:13                                                           ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-28 22:59                                                             ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-28 23:18                                                       ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-29  0:05                                                         ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-29 14:58                                                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-29 15:17                                                           ` Uecker, Martin
2022-11-29 15:44                                                             ` Michael Matz
2022-11-29 16:58                                                               ` Uecker, Martin
2022-11-29 17:28                                                                 ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-29 16:49                                                           ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-29 16:53                                                             ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-29 17:00                                                               ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-29 17:19                                                                 ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-29 17:29                                                                   ` Alex Colomar
2022-12-03 21:03                                                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-03 21:13                                                                       ` Andrew Pinski
2022-12-03 21:15                                                                       ` Martin Uecker
2022-12-03 21:18                                                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-06  2:08                                                                       ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-14 17:52                                                 ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-14 17:57                                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-14 18:26                                                     ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-28 23:02                                                       ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-10  9:40                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2022-11-10 10:59                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 22:25                                 ` G. Branden Robinson

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