From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::e]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6E223858439 for ; Wed, 10 May 2023 12:40:44 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org A6E223858439 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gnu.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gnu.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=p/cgwfbBiOwKXPtMvrhH0kstlSIijstK1Vk/sdB9HpE=; b=e+D0YnnoK7B+8pkNXGzF vE3b84iswu3alknihCG46JuFbnA99BzG6LC3InQfstgm0+9F36pKc9qdD7m0QgnSQWRxducmwwe4e eefZE8IxuAbgxGutR7B70+av2F0UNlv3pfnQ365BizT3DkhjKuZl2v1KMOnFrySRhigRTIvVQeW4M 5LOK2AairxxzSWxcuCVEcLavgFa+b71n8DJJLpu6HWSQlRraEHEPGkQI9DgIJkMP6Xl2jrdEXVi5G eI9eFOPlLENhfBphPGBwcxfxa+ijjSj+afvPOFX++hgb2wB1qPOpzx0WSROeeIe3ve6W1IaVFZ31G FsPgms6zIJbj3g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwj7b-0007QU-Pc; Wed, 10 May 2023 08:40:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 15:41:49 +0300 Message-Id: <83mt2c8ik2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Neal Gompa Cc: sam@gentoo.org, egall@gwmail.gwu.edu, jwakely.gcc@gmail.com, joel@rtems.org, dje.gcc@gmail.com, jakub@redhat.com, arsen@aarsen.me, gcc@gcc.gnu.org, c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev In-Reply-To: (message from Neal Gompa on Wed, 10 May 2023 08:10:48 -0400) Subject: Re: More C type errors by default for GCC 14 References: <877cth66qb.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> <20230509102201.6aa2a7d14fdb2f1e7abff449@killthe.net> <87r0rp5uf8.fsf@aarsen.me> <83ttwla1ep.fsf@gnu.org> <83lehx9vix.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs859unu.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt2cihs6.fsf@gentoo.org> <83ttwk8k6q.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,KAM_NUMSUBJECT,RCVD_IN_BARRACUDACENTRAL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: > From: Neal Gompa > Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 08:10:48 -0400 > Cc: sam@gentoo.org, egall@gwmail.gwu.edu, jwakely.gcc@gmail.com, > joel@rtems.org, dje.gcc@gmail.com, jakub@redhat.com, arsen@aarsen.me, > gcc@gcc.gnu.org, c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 8:05 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > From: Neal Gompa > > > Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 06:56:32 -0400 > > > Cc: Eric Gallager , Jonathan Wakely , joel@rtems.org, > > > David Edelsohn , Eli Zaretskii , Jakub Jelinek , > > > Arsen Arsenović , gcc@gcc.gnu.org, > > > c-std-porting@lists.linux.dev > > > > > > Right, we've been going through a similar effort with C++ over the > > > past decade. GCC incrementally becoming more strict on C++ has been an > > > incredibly painful experience, and it eats away a ton of time that I > > > would have spent dealing with other problems. Having one big event > > > where the majority of changes to make the C compiler strict happen > > > will honestly make it less painful, even if it doesn't seem like it at > > > the moment. > > > > But not having such an event, ever, would be even less painful. > > That's not going to happen. Well, I hope it will. Otherwise I wouldn't be partaking in this discussion.