From: Nathan Sidwell <nathan@acm.org>
To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:40:24 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8614c3a7-c2dc-ba45-ff57-434e23a5b384@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <orlf9ofyeb.fsf@lxoliva.fsfla.org>
On 4/11/21 2:51 PM, Alexandre Oliva via Gcc wrote:
> There's something very confusing about this entire debate, that signals
> some clear confusion about the role of the FSF.
>
> GCC is part of the GNU project.
>
> RMS is founder and leader of the GNU project.
>
> RMS is also founder of the FSF.
>
> The FSF was initially founded to support the GNU project.
>
> The FSF later expanded its activities to other campaigns, but supporting
> the GNU project remains a very important focus of FSF's activities.
>
> However, the FSF does NOT control nor own the GNU project. That appears
> to be a very common misperception.
>
> The FSF offers various pro-bono services to the GNU project, among them
> guarding some GNU assets for the GNU project, but the GNU project is an
> independent (unincorporated) organization, with its own separate and
> independent governance structure.
>
>
> The conversation has supposedly moved on from being centered on the
> (very indirect) relationship with RMS to being centered around the
> (even more indirect) relationship with the FSF.
>
> The trigger for the present movements seems to be RMS's reappointment to
> the board of directors of the FSF.
>
> That makes no sense to me
>
> RMS's closest roles regarding GCC have been of initial developer, leader
> of the project that GCC belongs in, and occasional participant in
> discussions among the GCC SC, and none of this has changed recently.
>
> What is the relevance of his reappointment to the board of a separate
> organization he's founded, long participated in, and presided for most
> of its history, and that has supported both the GNU project at large and
> the GNU toolchain specifically, in ways that haven't changed at all, not
> when he resigned from the board, not when he was reappointed?!?
>
> Can anyone come up with any rational motivation for this move right now?
I gave them in my initial email. You can go find them in the archive.
nathan
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Nathan Sidwell
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2021-04-11 10:08 Didier Kryn
2021-04-11 13:07 ` Frosku
2021-04-11 13:35 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-11 14:20 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-11 14:56 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-11 18:51 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 19:56 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-11 22:16 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 23:30 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-11 23:50 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-12 2:49 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-12 8:08 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-11 22:40 ` Nathan Sidwell [this message]
2021-04-11 23:49 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 19:30 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 19:41 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-11 22:23 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 23:29 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-11 23:40 ` Thomas Rodgers
[not found] <mailman.79603.1618219945.968053.gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
2021-04-12 12:25 ` Sujith Manoharan
2021-04-12 12:55 ` Richard Kenner
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2021-04-11 20:04 Ville Voutilainen
2021-04-11 21:29 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-03-26 20:02 Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee Nathan Sidwell
2021-03-30 13:16 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-03-30 17:07 ` JeanHeyd Meneide
2021-03-30 21:28 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-03-31 11:34 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-03-31 12:46 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-06 22:22 ` GCC association with the FSF Mark Wielaard
2021-04-06 22:28 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-07 14:04 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-07 17:17 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-07 17:21 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-08 15:00 ` David Brown
2021-04-08 16:43 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-08 18:40 ` David Brown
2021-04-11 21:23 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 22:41 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-08 19:30 ` Gabriel Ravier
2021-04-09 11:48 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-04-09 14:47 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 16:30 ` Gabriel Ravier
2021-04-10 12:58 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-04-10 16:34 ` David Brown
2021-04-10 18:57 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-12 4:17 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-04-08 17:22 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-08 18:26 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-08 20:26 ` David Brown
2021-04-11 13:39 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-04-11 14:03 ` David Brown
2021-04-11 14:42 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-11 14:21 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-08 19:48 ` Mark Wielaard
2021-04-08 20:33 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 6:27 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-04-09 13:08 ` Paul Koning
2021-04-09 14:08 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-11 13:42 ` Richard Sandiford
2021-04-11 15:06 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-11 15:56 ` David Brown
2021-04-11 16:45 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-12 9:32 ` Richard Biener
2021-04-12 10:27 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-12 21:24 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-13 6:01 ` Richard Biener
2021-04-13 14:40 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-13 16:52 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-13 17:19 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-13 17:32 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-13 23:41 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 6:44 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-14 7:57 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-14 10:03 ` Thomas Koenig
2021-04-14 10:19 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-14 12:08 ` Richard Biener
2021-04-14 16:18 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 16:35 ` Toon Moene
2021-04-14 16:55 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 17:42 ` Jeff Law
2021-04-14 18:07 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-14 17:53 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-15 16:02 ` Jason Merrill
2021-04-15 16:24 ` Richard Biener
2021-04-15 17:42 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-07 14:51 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-04-07 15:15 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-07 16:24 ` John Darrington
2021-04-07 17:14 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-07 22:34 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-08 6:45 ` John Darrington
2021-04-08 11:56 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-08 12:08 ` John Darrington
2021-04-08 14:54 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-08 18:21 ` John Darrington
2021-04-08 18:58 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 1:35 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-09 6:37 ` John Darrington
2021-04-09 10:37 ` David Brown
2021-04-09 14:40 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 17:01 ` David Brown
2021-04-09 18:02 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 19:37 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-09 21:02 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 21:17 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-09 21:34 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 2:53 ` Liu Hao
2021-04-10 3:15 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 12:50 ` Bronek Kozicki
2021-04-10 14:10 ` John Darrington
2021-04-10 15:33 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-10 19:47 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-10 21:45 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-10 23:06 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-04-10 12:27 ` David Brown
2021-04-10 13:04 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-10 14:49 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 15:17 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-10 15:54 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 16:14 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-10 16:49 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 15:59 ` David Malcolm
2021-04-10 16:09 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 20:10 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-10 22:06 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-11 13:11 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-11 14:04 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 22:30 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2021-04-11 12:05 ` John Darrington
2021-04-11 13:00 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-11 13:24 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-11 13:43 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-11 13:12 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-11 13:23 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 13:26 ` Frosku
2021-04-11 13:32 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-11 13:30 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-11 14:25 ` John Darrington
2021-04-11 14:37 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-11 15:04 ` David Brown
2021-04-12 0:08 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-11 14:17 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-11 18:28 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 20:04 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-11 20:45 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 22:30 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-04-11 23:06 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-11 23:33 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-04-12 1:43 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-12 2:15 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-04-12 3:13 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-04-12 17:52 ` Alexandre Oliva
2021-04-12 18:18 ` Adhemerval Zanella
2021-04-12 7:25 ` John Darrington
2021-04-12 9:00 ` Siddhesh Poyarekar
2021-04-11 23:13 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 18:26 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 18:36 ` John Darrington
2021-04-09 20:04 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-09 21:40 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-09 22:12 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-09 22:39 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-10 11:36 ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-04-10 12:35 ` Jonathan Wakely
2021-04-10 15:04 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-10 16:01 ` Giacomo Tesio
2021-04-10 16:12 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 19:52 ` Thomas Rodgers
2021-04-10 21:29 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-10 20:13 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-10 22:50 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2021-04-11 23:56 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2021-04-12 1:03 ` David Edelsohn
2021-04-12 1:34 ` Chris Punches
2021-04-12 10:24 ` Bronek Kozicki
2021-04-12 11:57 ` Bronek Kozicki
2021-04-12 15:25 ` Kalamatee
2021-04-12 21:22 ` Nathan Sidwell
2021-04-12 23:09 ` Chris Punches
2021-04-13 0:29 ` Daniel (Robin) Smith
2021-04-09 22:58 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 23:12 ` Richard Kenner
2021-04-10 22:33 ` Gerald Pfeifer
2021-04-10 12:37 ` David Brown
2021-04-10 15:28 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-09 13:00 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-04-07 18:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
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