From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cczrelay02.in2p3.fr (cczrelay02.in2p3.fr [134.158.66.142]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D6333857C75 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 10:08:09 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 1D6333857C75 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=in2p3.fr Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=kryn@in2p3.fr Received: from [192.168.1.58] (143.24.149.77.rev.sfr.net [77.149.24.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by cczrelay02.in2p3.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 13BA82Vo010493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:08:07 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.100.3 at cczrelay02 To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org From: Didier Kryn Subject: GCC association with the FSF Message-ID: <86544bc2-f04f-3c9b-e5cd-c5dde957d8aa@in2p3.fr> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:08:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: fr-FR X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, JMQ_SPF_NEUTRAL, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 10:08:11 -0000 Le 08/04/2021 =C3=A0 17:00, David Brown a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > At some point, someone in the public relations > department at IBM, Google, Facebook, ARM, or other big supporters of th= e > project will get the impression that the FSF and GNU are lead by a > misogynist who thinks child abuse is fine if the child consents, and > will cut off all support from the top down. The other companies will > immediately follow.=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Here we are. The liberty of expressing opinions is too= much of a liberty. This is ironical to read in a mailing list dedicated in some to a free software project. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But you are wrong on a point. The bannishment or RMS i= sn't being called by big companies or their customers. In the same way that Donald Trump's accounts on social networks have been closed on request of employees of these networks, here the employees of the same social networks and other companies call for the bannishment of RMS. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 "My opinion, not my employer's" is probably true. If t= he majority of employees call for lynching someone, the employer let them do because s(?)he is concerned by the cash flow first, not ideology. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I agree that the constitution of FSF, GNU, and GCC wou= ld gain to be clarified and cleared from some childich relics, but that doesn't mean the banishment of anyone and doesn't justify the cabal we have seen on this list. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Social networks, besides their likely utility, are a p= lace where hatred builds up pretty easily by mutual excitation because people get the illusion they're right when they're many. This has always existed amongst humans but social networks ease and boost this trend. This is one good reason to keep away. > ... no one can > be in doubt that [RMS's] attitudes and behaviour are not acceptable by > modern standards and are discouraging to developers and users in the > FOSS community. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It is obviously wrong that "no one can". Several perso= ns have expressed their disagreement whith these statements. Or do you mean "no one is allowed to"? =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 What do you mean by "modern standards"? Do you realy t= hink there are standards for political correctness? Is it an ISO?=C2=A0 POSIX?=C2=A0 IEE= E? Sorry for the easy joke. Probably you could express better what you mean (~: Le 10/04/2021 =C3=A0 14:50, Bronek Kozicki via Gcc a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > Hello there > > As a long time GCC user, who is also a father to teenage children, I wo= uld > very much prefer if a person who openly expressed opinions, and also op= enly > exercised behaviours, which I consider abhorrent, was *not* associated = with > the GCC project. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I bet you would also prefer that this person doesn't l= ive on the same planet as you. Sorry but this is just plain intolerance. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The root of the cabal is there:=C2=A0 intolerance. The= arguments about the behaviour of RMS or the mere fact that his name appears on the web page are mostly given (conciously or not) to hide the actual mobile. -- =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Didier