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From: "Zack Weinberg" <zack@codesourcery.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@CS.UCLA.EDU>
Cc: Ben Elliston <bje@wasabisystems.com>,
	 gcc@gcc.gnu.org, binutils@sources.redhat.com,
	 gdb@sources.redhat.com,  rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: flag day for Solaris portions of config.{guess,sub}
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:09:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871xroqlaf.fsf@egil.codesourcery.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87brqsw9d9.fsf@penguin.cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "01 Dec 2003 12:50:26 -0800")

Paul Eggert <eggert@CS.UCLA.EDU> writes:

> "Zack Weinberg" <zack@codesourcery.com> writes:
>
>> Once a pattern of canonical names has been chosen for a given family
>> of operating systems, that pattern must not ever change.
>
> That's still too strong.  Changing canonical names is not something
> one wants to do lightly of course, but it's not unprecedented.  We
> have changed the output of config.guess in the past, notably for
> GNU/Linux.

I would argue that every last one of those changes was a mistake, but
a mistake that cannot now be rectified.

> That being said, I'm sympathetic to the design principle you're
> advocating.  Ironically, this whole problem occurred because we didn't
> follow that principle: we changed the pattern of canonical names for
> part of the SunOS family of operating systems from -sunos* to
> -solaris*.

Again, this was a mistake, which *cannot now be rectified*.

Changing it again would be *worse* than the original change was - the
original change happened when solaris2 was still a new thing, not
widely used, and (critically) CPU-sun-solaris2.x / CPU-sun-sunos5.x
patterns did not appear in a large number of autoconf scripts.

My point is really that you and others advocating the change seem to
underestimate the disruption involved by orders of magnitude.  I think
it's roughly comparable to the disruption involved in the switch from
autoconf 2.13 to autoconf 2.5x -- every last configure script on the
planet is going to have to be audited for problems, and possibly
modified.

And configure scripts aren't the only things that use config.guess/
config.sub.  Consider FTP archives and automatic programs that
retrieve files from those archives.  Consider system administrators
using cfengine to manage large heterogeneous networks.  Consider old
backup tapes labelled and formatted according to canonical system name.

Is smoothing out a minor irregularity of naming convention really
worth all this disruption?

zw

  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-01 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-20 12:25 Ben Elliston
2003-11-20 14:03 ` Ben Elliston
2003-11-20 14:12 ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-20 18:29 ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-20 20:31   ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-20 20:35     ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-20 20:50       ` Albert Chin-A-Young
2003-11-20 21:32       ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-20 21:44         ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-21  0:57           ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-21  1:15             ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-23 12:51             ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-23 23:40               ` Branko Čibej
2003-11-24  8:17                 ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-24  8:28                   ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-24 12:08                     ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-24 14:35                       ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-24 21:54                         ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-25 10:47                           ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-25 23:12                             ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-26  6:05                               ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-26 12:05                               ` Ben Elliston
2003-11-27  1:58                                 ` Russ Allbery
2003-11-25 10:07                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-26  3:49                   ` Zack Weinberg
2003-11-20 21:33     ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-20 21:40       ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-20 23:32         ` Phil Edwards
2003-11-21 23:56 ` tm_gccmail
2003-11-22  0:01   ` Joe Buck
2003-11-27 18:55 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-11-29  1:42   ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-29  2:24     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-01 21:29       ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-01 22:09         ` Zack Weinberg [this message]
2003-12-02 21:40           ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-02 21:45             ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-02 22:21               ` Ben Elliston
2003-12-03 17:22               ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-03 17:23                 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-03 17:33                   ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-12-04  7:42                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-04  8:57                     ` Branko Čibej
2003-12-05 17:27                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-05 18:43                         ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-05 18:53                           ` Joe Buck
2003-12-06 12:11                             ` Nix
2003-12-07 23:22                         ` Branko Čibej
2003-12-04 10:16                     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-04 11:16                       ` Ben Elliston
2003-12-04 21:41                         ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-04 22:07                           ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-04 23:04                           ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-12-04 23:11                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-04 23:27                             ` Joe Buck
2003-12-04 23:38                               ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-04 23:41                                 ` Ben Elliston
2003-12-04 23:42                                   ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-05 11:46                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-06  7:05                                       ` Eric Botcazou
2003-12-06 20:41                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-06 21:56                                           ` Eric Botcazou
2003-12-07  9:25                                             ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-12-07 15:26                                               ` Eric Botcazou
2003-12-07 19:25                                               ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-05  5:00                                   ` Russ Allbery
2003-12-05 12:37                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-08 13:29                             ` Rainer Orth
2003-12-08 22:44                               ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-08 23:48                                 ` Rainer Orth
2003-12-08 23:59                                   ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-10  0:04                                   ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-12  5:30                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-12  7:19                                     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-12 21:27                                     ` Rainer Orth
2003-12-05 23:22                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-04 14:22                     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-11-20 21:55 bkorb
2003-11-20 23:24 ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-20 23:52   ` Bruce Korb
2003-12-02 22:58 Wolfgang Bangerth

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