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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f24f82fd7454a5ca757fc54ba5763664; Fri, 12 May 2023 02:40:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Sam James Cc: Eli Schwartz , Eli Zaretskii , gcc@gcc.gnu.org Subject: Re: More C type errors by default for GCC 14 In-Reply-To: <87ednmebqe.fsf@gentoo.org> (Sam James's message of "Thu, 11 May 2023 23:35:20 +0100") References: <87mt2behdl.fsf@yahoo.com> <57238276-5966-98d6-d5f0-f5451013ed17@gmail.com> <83354375x3.fsf@gnu.org> <55b2eefe-7788-0937-dba4-6f5ffa212435@gmail.com> <87ednmebqe.fsf@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 10:40:49 +0800 Message-ID: <875y8yb7bi.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21471 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,KAM_NUMSUBJECT,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: Sam James writes: > And I would not want to see that happen either, nor do I think Florian > would, or many of the other participants in this thread. > > Indeed, for some projects, where it's hopeless^Wlots of work, > we're using -std=c89 or -std=gnu89 as appropriate - as already stated. > > But most things are easy to fix. > > Our interest is purely in making the default stricter for better UX, > reducing the net amount of these bugs in the wild, and avoiding > regressions when we fix these problems. Trying to remove C89 entirely > would, if nothing else, be needlessly antagonistic, but some of the > replies seem to act as if we have. But programs are not using c89 or gnu89, right? They are using gnu99 and gnu11.