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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@CS.UCLA.EDU>
To: "Zack Weinberg" <zack@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Ben Elliston <bje@wasabisystems.com>,
	gcc@gcc.gnu.org, binutils@sources.redhat.com,
	gdb@sources.redhat.com, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: flag day for Solaris portions of config.{guess,sub}
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:29:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87brqsw9d9.fsf@penguin.cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87znegqb31.fsf@codesourcery.com>

"Zack Weinberg" <zack@codesourcery.com> writes:

> Once a pattern of canonical names has been chosen for a given family
> of operating systems, that pattern must not ever change.

That's still too strong.  Changing canonical names is not something
one wants to do lightly of course, but it's not unprecedented.  We
have changed the output of config.guess in the past, notably for
GNU/Linux.

That being said, I'm sympathetic to the design principle you're
advocating.  Ironically, this whole problem occurred because we didn't
follow that principle: we changed the pattern of canonical names for
part of the SunOS family of operating systems from -sunos* to
-solaris*.  My most recent proposal switches back to -sunos*
uniformly, thus adhering to your design principle even more strongly
than the current config.guess does.


> Do otherwise and you ruin the utility of canonical system names

No, the utility is still there.  config.guess is a registry for
canonical system names, much as ISO 639 is a registry for 2-letter
language codes and ISO 3166 is a registry for 2-letter country codes,
All other things being equal we shouldn't change names in a registry.
But those registries occasionally change too (e.g., ISO 639 changed
Hebrew from "iw" to "he", and this year ISO 3166 changed Serbia &
Montenegro from "yu" to "cs").  This is a pain for such widely-used
standards, but sometimes the advantages of the change outweigh the
disadvantages.  Similarly for config.guess.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-01 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-20 12:25 Ben Elliston
2003-11-20 14:03 ` Ben Elliston
2003-11-20 14:12 ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-20 18:29 ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-20 20:31   ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-20 20:35     ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-20 20:50       ` Albert Chin-A-Young
2003-11-20 21:32       ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-20 21:44         ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-21  0:57           ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-21  1:15             ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-23 12:51             ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-23 23:40               ` Branko Čibej
2003-11-24  8:17                 ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-24  8:28                   ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-24 12:08                     ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-24 14:35                       ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-24 21:54                         ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-25 10:47                           ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-25 23:12                             ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-26  6:05                               ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-26 12:05                               ` Ben Elliston
2003-11-27  1:58                                 ` Russ Allbery
2003-11-25 10:07                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-11-26  3:49                   ` Zack Weinberg
2003-11-20 21:33     ` Eric Botcazou
2003-11-20 21:40       ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-20 23:32         ` Phil Edwards
2003-11-21 23:56 ` tm_gccmail
2003-11-22  0:01   ` Joe Buck
2003-11-27 18:55 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-11-29  1:42   ` Paul Eggert
2003-11-29  2:24     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-01 21:29       ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2003-12-01 22:09         ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-02 21:40           ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-02 21:45             ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-02 22:21               ` Ben Elliston
2003-12-03 17:22               ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-03 17:23                 ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-03 17:33                   ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-12-04  7:42                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-04  8:57                     ` Branko Čibej
2003-12-05 17:27                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-05 18:43                         ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-05 18:53                           ` Joe Buck
2003-12-06 12:11                             ` Nix
2003-12-07 23:22                         ` Branko Čibej
2003-12-04 10:16                     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-04 11:16                       ` Ben Elliston
2003-12-04 21:41                         ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-04 22:07                           ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-04 23:04                           ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-12-04 23:11                           ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-04 23:27                             ` Joe Buck
2003-12-04 23:38                               ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-04 23:41                                 ` Ben Elliston
2003-12-04 23:42                                   ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-05 11:46                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-06  7:05                                       ` Eric Botcazou
2003-12-06 20:41                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-06 21:56                                           ` Eric Botcazou
2003-12-07  9:25                                             ` Arnaud Charlet
2003-12-07 15:26                                               ` Eric Botcazou
2003-12-07 19:25                                               ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-05  5:00                                   ` Russ Allbery
2003-12-05 12:37                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-08 13:29                             ` Rainer Orth
2003-12-08 22:44                               ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-08 23:48                                 ` Rainer Orth
2003-12-08 23:59                                   ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-10  0:04                                   ` Paul Eggert
2003-12-12  5:30                                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2003-12-12  7:19                                     ` Zack Weinberg
2003-12-12 21:27                                     ` Rainer Orth
2003-12-05 23:22                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-12-04 14:22                     ` Andrew Cagney
2003-11-20 21:55 bkorb
2003-11-20 23:24 ` Rainer Orth
2003-11-20 23:52   ` Bruce Korb
2003-12-02 22:58 Wolfgang Bangerth

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