From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9740 invoked by alias); 28 Jun 2005 19:13:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 9725 invoked by uid 22791); 28 Jun 2005 19:13:09 -0000 Received: from mail-out2.fuse.net (HELO smtp2.fuse.net) (216.68.8.175) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.30-dev) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:13:09 +0000 Received: from gx4.fuse.net ([216.68.17.142]) by smtp2.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050628191307.HQTC10827.smtp2.fuse.net@gx4.fuse.net> for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:13:07 -0400 Received: from dellpi.pinski.fam ([216.68.17.142]) by gx4.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.02.00.02 201-2136-104-102-20041210) with ESMTP id <20050628191307.VXAJ12227.gx4.fuse.net@dellpi.pinski.fam>; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:13:07 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.80] (zhivago.i.pinski.fam [10.0.0.80]) by dellpi.pinski.fam (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id j5SJD1Qi028562; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:13:01 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20050628191006.GI52889@dspnet.fr.eu.org> References: <20050628180203.GG52889@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <20050628191006.GI52889@dspnet.fr.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <882882640c20778910272cdd8e19eff4@physics.uc.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'Gabriel Dos Reis'" , "'Robert Dewar'" , "'gcc mailing list'" , "'Andrew Haley'" , Dave Korn From: Andrew Pinski Subject: Re: signed is undefined and has been since 1992 (in GCC) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:13:00 -0000 To: Olivier Galibert X-SW-Source: 2005-06/txt/msg01182.txt.bz2 On Jun 28, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Olivier Galibert wrote: > >> Well, I don't utterly _anything_ about either his position or >> yours. C is >> not just a high level assembler, it has complex and abstract semantics >> imposed on that; > > Yes. But C is _also_ a high level assembler, and ignoring that is > foolish. No it is not. It was when it was designed yes but since the C standard has come out and the aliasing rules really show that it is not a high level assembler language any more. -- Pinski