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From: Matt Austern <austern@apple.com>
To: gcc mailing list <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: generalized lvalues
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:50:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8AD5AEEF-3914-11D9-8BD2-000A95BCF344@apple.com> (raw)

Could somebody remind me, please, of the reasons we removed generalized 
lvalues?  I know there were several reasons, but I'm not sure if I've 
ever seen a complete list.  Here are the reasons I can reconstruct from 
memory:
  1. It broke valid C++ programs.  If we overload a function on 
constness, like foo(int&) and foo(const int&), then invoking it as 
foo((int) x) is required to call the const version.  Generalized 
lvalues made us choose the latter.
  2. It was underspecified. There were cases, again especially in C++ in 
the presence of operator overloading, where nobody was quite sure 
either what it did or what it was supposed to do.
  3. I have the vague sense that it caused back end bugs, but I can't 
find them offhand.

Anything else?  (Incidentally, I think all of these apply to 
cast-as-lvalue.  I haven't heard of any problems caused by 
conditional-as-lvalue or comma-expression-as-lvalue.)

The reason I'm asking: I think some people are going to find the 
removal a nasty surprise.  Yes, it was deprecated in 3.3.x and 3.4.x, 
but not everyone upgrades to the latest release of older branches. I 
imagine some people won't have noticed the discussion about removal 
until they upgrade to 4.0 and see that it's gone.  At that point we'll 
have three choices: convince them that removing it made the compiler 
better, or reconsider and put it back, or refuse to put it back, don't 
tell anyone why it's gone, and live with unhappy users who think we're 
stupid and capricious.  If we want to go with one of the first two 
options, it'll help to have a collection of reasons.

			--Matt

             reply	other threads:[~2004-11-18  3:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-18  3:50 Matt Austern [this message]
2004-11-18  3:52 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:01 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:18   ` Daniel Berlin
2004-11-18  4:21   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:27     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18  7:15       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-18  7:37         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18 13:17           ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-11-18 17:57           ` Joe Buck
2004-11-18 18:28         ` Mike Stump
2004-11-18 18:44           ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  1:39             ` Mike Stump
2004-11-19  4:52               ` Matt Austern
2004-11-19 22:24                 ` Michael Matz
2004-11-19 22:30                   ` Robert McNulty Junior
2004-11-20  1:00                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-20  1:20                     ` Joe Buck
2004-11-20  1:51                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-20  5:04                         ` Joe Buck
2004-11-20  5:17                           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 20:54                             ` generalized lvalues -- patch outline Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 21:01                               ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-22 21:11                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 21:39                                 ` Matt Austern
2004-11-22 22:11                                   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-22 22:12                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23  0:06                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:04                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:27                                     ` Mike Stump
2004-11-24 20:40                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2004-11-23  0:11                                   ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:19                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23  1:26                                       ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:32                                         ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  1:42                                           ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:45                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23  1:55                                             ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  1:56                                               ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23  2:12                                                 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  2:10                                               ` Marcus G. Daniels
2004-11-23  9:43                                       ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 18:27                                       ` Aaron W. LaFramboise
2004-11-22 21:23                               ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-22 22:33                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-23  0:09                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  9:54                                   ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 13:35                                     ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 14:56                                       ` Daniel Berlin
2004-11-23 15:02                                         ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 15:15                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23 15:47                                             ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 15:56                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 15:50                                             ` Steve Naroff
2004-11-23 15:51                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 16:50                                             ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 17:01                                               ` Paul Koning
2004-11-23 17:16                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-23 18:03                                                 ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 18:30                                                   ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 18:57                                                     ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 21:21                                                   ` Paul Koning
2004-11-23 21:52                                                     ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 15:51                                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 16:12                                             ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 16:31                                               ` Richard Guenther
2004-11-23 16:44                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-23 20:16                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 15:01                                       ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 15:09                                         ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 19:11                                         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23 21:10                                           ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 21:34                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-23 22:09                                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-23 22:23                                         ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 22:27                                           ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-24  0:05                                             ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-24  0:07                                               ` Steven Bosscher
2004-11-24  0:32                                               ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-25  8:41                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-11-25 20:41                                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-25 21:54                                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-25 23:27                                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-29 18:06                                                       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-29 18:57                                                         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23 23:27                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 22:24                                       ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23  0:07                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-24 20:43                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2004-11-24 23:09                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-24 23:17                                       ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-22 21:31                               ` Richard Henderson
2004-11-23  0:11                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:03                               ` Jonathan Lennox
2004-11-20  1:40                     ` generalized lvalues Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-18 19:11           ` Alex Rosenberg
2004-11-18  4:24   ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18  5:33 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-18 17:14 ` Fariborz Jahanian
2004-11-18 18:23   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  0:20     ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  0:40       ` Steven Bosscher
2004-11-19  1:20       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  2:00         ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:36 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:37   ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18 23:49     ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19  1:38       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  2:52         ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19  3:56           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  4:22             ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19 13:10         ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-19 21:58           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:44   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18 23:45   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-25  4:42 ` Aaron W. LaFramboise

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