From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from cc-smtpout2.netcologne.de (cc-smtpout2.netcologne.de [IPv6:2001:4dd0:100:1062:25:2:0:2]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14E4D384803F for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 06:00:47 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 14E4D384803F Received: from cc-smtpin2.netcologne.de (cc-smtpin2.netcologne.de [89.1.8.202]) by cc-smtpout2.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE12124EB for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:00:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cc-smtpin2.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D32611EEA for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:00:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [2001:4dd7:993:0:7285:c2ff:fe6c:992d] (helo=cc-smtpin2.netcologne.de) by localhost with ESMTP (eXpurgate 4.19.0) (envelope-from ) id 6077d68d-0254-7f0000012729-7f000001e208-1 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:00:45 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:2001:4dd7:993:0:7285:c2ff:fe6c:992d] (2001-4dd7-993-0-7285-c2ff-fe6c-992d.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de [IPv6:2001:4dd7:993:0:7285:c2ff:fe6c:992d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by cc-smtpin2.netcologne.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:00:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <093dbfde-a7b5-a55c-8a03-3e82460bce67@acm.org> <536f25dd-597c-0657-6c16-d73ef4c16280@gmail.com> From: Thomas Koenig Message-ID: <8bd7f4d5-70bf-7ef9-325f-2fdb53661f67@netcologne.de> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:00:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 06:00:48 -0000 My 0.02 Euro-Cent: There is a minor problem with contributors being overly harsh/ borderline abusive on the mailing list. In my > 15 years with the project, I have only had that problem with one single person, and I have resolved that by never again touching the system that particular person is responsible for, also not for testing. The _real_ problem is in bugzilla, mostly with abusive users complaining about the time it sometimes takes to fix bugs ("Why didn't you fix this? Are you stupid or what? That bug has been open for _weeks_!") or who will not understand that their program has an error, and insist on the compiler sanctioning their particular non-standard usage. On bugzilla, there is also a rather minor problem with contributors being overly harsh/borderline abusive, but that is also quite restrictive. If we talk about gcc becoming a more welcoming place, bugzilla is the place to start.