From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E96388A404 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:52:03 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org D2E96388A404 Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-366-9Nf3oIN_O0-2dG5rZ0r6Xg-1; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:52:00 -0400 X-MC-Unique: 9Nf3oIN_O0-2dG5rZ0r6Xg-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02AA1898296; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from t14s.localdomain (ovpn-112-65.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.112.65]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2185D6CF; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <92c014fc39022ea03c6c801bb76ab39674e8a6fb.camel@redhat.com> Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers From: David Malcolm To: Ian Lance Taylor Cc: GCC Development Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:51:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20210418131052.GB320802@thyrsus.com> References: <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <40f0e05b-3156-a649-b636-c90b8b8e0f8@pfeifer.com> <4A7DE074-9600-4513-A05C-566926D447BE@tesio.it> <535f1dcf-2258-c817-cf72-5c49dc9e5823@hesbynett.no> <20210418131052.GB320802@thyrsus.com> User-Agent: Evolution 3.38.4 (3.38.4-1.fc33) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:52:05 -0000 On Sun, 2021-04-18 at 09:10 -0400, Eric S. Raymond wrote: Sorry for prolonging this thread-of-doom; I'm loathe to reply to Eric because I worry that it will encourage him. I wrote a long rebuttal to his last email to me about his great insights into the minds of women but didn't send it in the hope of reducing the temperature of the conversation. That said... > Ian Lance Taylor via Gcc : > > This conversation has moved well off-topic for the GCC mailing lists. > > > > Some of the posts here do not follow the GNU Kind Communication > > Guidelines > > (https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.en.html). > > > > I suggest that people who want to continue this thread take it off > > the > > GCC mailing list. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Ian > > Welcome to the consequences of abandoning "You shall judge by the code > alone." > > This is what it will be like, *forever*, until you reassert that norm. Or we could ignore the false dilemma that Eric is asserting, and instead moderate the list, or even just moderate those who have never contributed to GCC but persist in emailing the list. Personally, I've been moving all posts by Christopher Dimech to this list direct from my inbox to my archive without reading them for the last several days, and it's helped my mood considerably. He's been prolifically posting to the list recently, but in the 8 years I've been involved in gcc development I've never heard of him before this thing kicked off, and the stuff I've had the misfortune to see by him appears to me to be full of conspiracy theories and deranged raving. The clue might have been when he referred to us as "bitches". "Don't feed the trolls" might have worked once, but sometimes they start talking to each other, and it becomes difficult for a bystander to tell that everyone else is ignoring them, and it keeps threads like this one alive. I reject the idea that those of us who work on GCC have to put up with arbitrary emails from random crazies on the internet without even the simple recourse of being able to put individuals on moderation. That might have worked 20 years ago when I thought ESR was relevant, but seems absurdly out-of-date to me today. As usual, these are my opinions only, not necessarily those of my employer Dave