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From: Matt Austern <austern@apple.com>
To: Ziemowit Laski <zlaski@apple.com>
Cc: gcc mailing list <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: generalized lvalues
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:37:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B2443C98-39BA-11D9-9F7F-000A95AA5E5E@apple.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <852F83A5-39B9-11D9-8317-00039390FFE2@apple.com>

On Nov 18, 2004, at 3:28 PM, Ziemowit Laski wrote:

> Since objPtr is a plain-vanilla 'void *', it is not in general subject 
> to the new NeXT runtime GC regime.  However, if we happen to assign a 
> pointer to an ObjC instance to it, then we do want to give a hint to 
> the compiler that objPtr _should_ be tracked by GC.  The most 
> straighforward -- and intuitive -- way of doing this is precisely via 
> a cast applied to the lvalue, as seen above (with '__strong' expanding 
> to an appropriate attribute).  While we have investigated some 
> syntactic alternatives to the cast in light of the impending lvalue 
> cast removal, all of them are counterintuitive in that they fail to 
> express what is being done -- namely, altering the type of a variable 
> for a particular assignment.

Just a reminder: the word "impending" isn't quite right.  It's not that 
cast-as-lvalue isn't going away, but that it's already gone.  It won't 
come back unless someone does the work to put it back, including 
documentation, testing, and integration with the 4.0 back end.

Yes, if we discover that removing it caused major problems then we 
might be forced to consider doing that work.  But we'd better be aware 
that at this point you aren't proposing that we avoid doing something, 
you're proposing a project to add functionality that isn't here.

			--Matt

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-18 23:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-18  3:50 Matt Austern
2004-11-18  3:52 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:01 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:18   ` Daniel Berlin
2004-11-18  4:21   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:27     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18  7:15       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-18  7:37         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18 13:17           ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-11-18 17:57           ` Joe Buck
2004-11-18 18:28         ` Mike Stump
2004-11-18 18:44           ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  1:39             ` Mike Stump
2004-11-19  4:52               ` Matt Austern
2004-11-19 22:24                 ` Michael Matz
2004-11-19 22:30                   ` Robert McNulty Junior
2004-11-20  1:00                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-20  1:20                     ` Joe Buck
2004-11-20  1:51                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-20  5:04                         ` Joe Buck
2004-11-20  5:17                           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 20:54                             ` generalized lvalues -- patch outline Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 21:01                               ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-22 21:11                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 21:39                                 ` Matt Austern
2004-11-22 22:11                                   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-22 22:12                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23  0:06                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:04                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:27                                     ` Mike Stump
2004-11-24 20:40                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2004-11-23  0:11                                   ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:19                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23  1:26                                       ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:32                                         ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  1:42                                           ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:45                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23  1:55                                             ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  1:56                                               ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23  2:12                                                 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  2:10                                               ` Marcus G. Daniels
2004-11-23  9:43                                       ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 18:27                                       ` Aaron W. LaFramboise
2004-11-22 21:23                               ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-22 22:33                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-23  0:09                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  9:54                                   ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 13:35                                     ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 14:56                                       ` Daniel Berlin
2004-11-23 15:02                                         ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 15:15                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23 15:47                                             ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 15:56                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 15:50                                             ` Steve Naroff
2004-11-23 15:51                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 16:50                                             ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 17:01                                               ` Paul Koning
2004-11-23 17:16                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-23 18:03                                                 ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 18:30                                                   ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 18:57                                                     ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 21:21                                                   ` Paul Koning
2004-11-23 21:52                                                     ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 15:51                                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 16:12                                             ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 16:31                                               ` Richard Guenther
2004-11-23 16:44                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-23 20:16                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 15:01                                       ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 15:09                                         ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 19:11                                         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23 21:10                                           ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 21:34                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-23 22:09                                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-23 22:23                                         ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 22:27                                           ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-24  0:05                                             ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-24  0:07                                               ` Steven Bosscher
2004-11-24  0:32                                               ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-25  8:41                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-11-25 20:41                                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-25 21:54                                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-25 23:27                                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-29 18:06                                                       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-29 18:57                                                         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23 23:27                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 22:24                                       ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23  0:07                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-24 20:43                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2004-11-24 23:09                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-24 23:17                                       ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-22 21:31                               ` Richard Henderson
2004-11-23  0:11                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:03                               ` Jonathan Lennox
2004-11-20  1:40                     ` generalized lvalues Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-18 19:11           ` Alex Rosenberg
2004-11-18  4:24   ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18  5:33 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-18 17:14 ` Fariborz Jahanian
2004-11-18 18:23   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  0:20     ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  0:40       ` Steven Bosscher
2004-11-19  1:20       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  2:00         ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:36 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:37   ` Matt Austern [this message]
2004-11-18 23:49     ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19  1:38       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  2:52         ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19  3:56           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  4:22             ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19 13:10         ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-19 21:58           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:44   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18 23:45   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-25  4:42 ` Aaron W. LaFramboise

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