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From: Paul Schlie <schlie@comcast.net>
To: Mark Mitchell <mark@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org>,
	Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@integrable-solutions.net>,
	"D. Hugh Redelmeier" <hugh@mimosa.com>, <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: volatile semantics
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:29:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BF007E27.ADB6%schlie@comcast.net> (raw)

> Note that I'm explicitly not taking a position on what the standard says.
> The standard is notoriously incomplete with respect to object model issues,
> including volatility, so I think that trying particularly hard to parse its
> words in this area is probably not a good use of time for people trying to
> build a real-world compiler. Creating DRs is more useful than trying to read
> the tea leaves.
>
> Clearly, the analogous rule does not make sense for "const" in that a "const"
> object can never be modified; in particular, if the compiler can prove that
> "*x = 3" is an attempt to modify an object whose dynamic type is "const int",
> then it can replace that with a call to "kill (SIGSEGV)", if it likes; this
> is unquestionably undefined behavior.

With all due respect, unless there is an explicit reference in the standard
to contradict it's clearly stated requirement that an object's qualified
lvalue ("locator value") designates the object being referenced, all
interpretations to the contrary are at best presumptuous, regardless of
whether or not it's generalized behavior may be indeterminate.

(but regardless, at least things are successively approximating "correct")


             reply	other threads:[~2005-07-18  1:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-18  1:29 Paul Schlie [this message]
2005-07-18  6:36 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 11:20   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 12:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-07-18 12:17     ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 12:27       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 13:27         ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 15:47           ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-18 12:24     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 12:11 ` Jonathan Wakely
2005-07-18 12:31   ` Paul Schlie
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-07-23  2:15 Paul Schlie
2005-07-23  9:50 ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23 11:39   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-23 11:44   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-19 17:56 Paul Schlie
2005-07-19 18:13 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-19 18:32   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-17 17:58 Paul Schlie
2005-05-06  5:06 Paul Schlie
2005-05-03  8:41 Mike Stump
2005-05-03  8:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-05-03  9:53 ` Giovanni Bajo
2005-05-03 14:31 ` Dave Korn
2005-05-03 14:41 ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 17:04   ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 18:03     ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 18:32       ` Paul Koning
2005-05-03 18:37         ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-11 23:01         ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-05-12 14:46           ` Paul Koning
2005-05-03 18:35       ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 18:54         ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 19:25           ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-04  8:18             ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-04 10:23               ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-04 11:30                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-04 17:59                   ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-04 18:01                     ` Paul Koning
2005-05-04 19:49                     ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 16:51     ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 16:56       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 17:26         ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 17:32           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 18:35             ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 20:35               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:29                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:41                   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:59                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:07             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 19:20         ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 21:10           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 20:52         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:07           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:24             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:30               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:19                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:36               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:06                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 22:17                   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:25                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-19  7:27                       ` Kai Henningsen
2005-07-19  9:25                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 22:34               ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 22:57                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  1:37                   ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17  2:24                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  2:36                       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  3:08                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  4:32                           ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  5:19                           ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  5:31                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  7:33                               ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17 14:33                             ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17 15:30                               ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  7:53                           ` Andrew Pinski
2005-07-17 11:41                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  7:40                       ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17 11:50                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 19:30                           ` Mike Stump
2005-07-18 20:05                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17 15:45                         ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 16:04                           ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-17 16:18                             ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 16:54                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17 16:06                           ` Falk Hueffner
2005-07-17 16:18                           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-17 16:44                             ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 12:49                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-07-17  2:27                     ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  3:14                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  3:27                         ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17 20:34                           ` Mark Mitchell
2005-07-17  4:38                         ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17  5:27                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 13:13                           ` Gerald Pfeifer
2005-07-17  7:54                       ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17 10:11               ` Andrew Haley
2005-07-17 12:03                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 17:33       ` Andrew Haley
2005-07-16 17:53         ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  8:25           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-22 23:20             ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-07-22 23:33               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-23  1:28                 ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23  2:59                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-23  9:50                     ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23  6:03                   ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-23 16:03                   ` Mike Stump
2005-07-16 19:05         ` Dale Johannesen
2005-07-16 21:17           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-22 23:20       ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-07-25 23:08         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-05-06  0:45   ` Kai Henningsen
2005-05-06  1:42     ` Paul Koning
2005-05-06  2:04     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-06  2:57     ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 21:19 ` Thorsten Glaser

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