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From: Paul Schlie <schlie@comcast.net>
To: Gabriel Dos Reis <gdr@integrable-solutions.net>
Cc: Mike Stump <mrs@apple.com>, Dale Johannesen <dalej@apple.com>,
	Nathan Sidwell <nathan@codesourcery.com>,
	GCC Development <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
	"D. Hugh Redelmeier:" <hugh@mimosa.com>,
	Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org>
Subject: Re: volatile semantics
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:56:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BF02B715.AE31%schlie@comcast.net> (raw)

> Gabriel Dos Reis writes:
> If by analysis, you can determine ...

The problem with this type of logic is that it leads to arbitrary
inconsistent designation of an object's reference as a function of
the breadth of the "analysis", therefore seems clearly undesirable.

Resulting in only two possibilities:

A: Treat all object references as initially declared (which isn't
   technically possible as function parameter declarations make this
   impossible to begin with, and inherently inconsistent with lvalue
   cast semantics).

B: Treat all object references as declared within their current scope,
   where the effective object declarations hierarchy looks basically
   like: <allocation-decl> [<parameter-decl> | <cast-decl>], where the
   most current represents the effective declaration of the object.

Thereby (B) represents the only tenable choice (there is no in-between).

[Which seems to be real simple to understand and abide by, regardless of
whether or not the resulting reference may specify an undefined behavior;
as the job of the compiler is to abide by the specified program, not go
out of it's way attempting to identify undefined behaviors so that it may
interject it's equally undefined inconsistent behaviors without regard to
the factual behavior that it's target would otherwise yield naturally if
it just simply warned and left well enough alone, presuming the author
desired what was specified, not something otherwise.]


             reply	other threads:[~2005-07-19 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-19 17:56 Paul Schlie [this message]
2005-07-19 18:13 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-19 18:32   ` Paul Schlie
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-07-23  2:15 Paul Schlie
2005-07-23  9:50 ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23 11:39   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-23 11:44   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18  1:29 Paul Schlie
2005-07-18  6:36 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 11:20   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 12:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-07-18 12:17     ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 12:27       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 13:27         ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-18 15:47           ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-18 12:24     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 12:11 ` Jonathan Wakely
2005-07-18 12:31   ` Paul Schlie
2005-07-17 17:58 Paul Schlie
2005-05-06  5:06 Paul Schlie
2005-05-03  8:41 Mike Stump
2005-05-03  8:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2005-05-03  9:53 ` Giovanni Bajo
2005-05-03 14:31 ` Dave Korn
2005-05-03 14:41 ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 17:04   ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 18:03     ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 18:32       ` Paul Koning
2005-05-03 18:37         ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-11 23:01         ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-05-12 14:46           ` Paul Koning
2005-05-03 18:35       ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 18:54         ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-03 19:25           ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-04  8:18             ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-05-04 10:23               ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-04 11:30                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-04 17:59                   ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-04 18:01                     ` Paul Koning
2005-05-04 19:49                     ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 16:51     ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 16:56       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 17:26         ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 17:32           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 18:35             ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-16 20:35               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:29                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:41                   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:59                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:07             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 19:20         ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 21:10           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 20:52         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:07           ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 21:24             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:30               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:19                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 21:36               ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:06                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 22:17                   ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-16 22:25                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-19  7:27                       ` Kai Henningsen
2005-07-19  9:25                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 22:34               ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-16 22:57                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  1:37                   ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17  2:24                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  2:36                       ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  3:08                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  4:32                           ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  5:19                           ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  5:31                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  7:33                               ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17 14:33                             ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17 15:30                               ` Michael Veksler
2005-07-17  7:53                           ` Andrew Pinski
2005-07-17 11:41                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  7:40                       ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17 11:50                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 19:30                           ` Mike Stump
2005-07-18 20:05                             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17 15:45                         ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 16:04                           ` Nathan Sidwell
2005-07-17 16:18                             ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 16:54                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17 16:06                           ` Falk Hueffner
2005-07-17 16:18                           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-17 16:44                             ` Richard Henderson
2005-07-17 12:49                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2005-07-17  2:27                     ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  3:14                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-17  3:27                         ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17 20:34                           ` Mark Mitchell
2005-07-17  4:38                         ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17  5:27                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-18 13:13                           ` Gerald Pfeifer
2005-07-17  7:54                       ` D. Hugh Redelmeier
2005-07-17 10:11               ` Andrew Haley
2005-07-17 12:03                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-16 17:33       ` Andrew Haley
2005-07-16 17:53         ` Daniel Berlin
2005-07-17  8:25           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-22 23:20             ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-07-22 23:33               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-23  1:28                 ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23  2:59                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-23  9:50                     ` Geoff Keating
2005-07-23  6:03                   ` Ian Lance Taylor
2005-07-23 16:03                   ` Mike Stump
2005-07-16 19:05         ` Dale Johannesen
2005-07-16 21:17           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-07-22 23:20       ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-07-25 23:08         ` Olivier Galibert
2005-05-06  0:45   ` Kai Henningsen
2005-05-06  1:42     ` Paul Koning
2005-05-06  2:04     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-06  2:57     ` Dale Johannesen
2005-05-03 21:19 ` Thorsten Glaser

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