From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11155 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2012 08:41:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 11143 invoked by uid 22791); 13 Apr 2012 08:40:59 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,KHOP_RCVD_TRUST,KHOP_THREADED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_HOSTKARMA_YE X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (HELO mail-vb0-f47.google.com) (209.85.212.47) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:40:46 +0000 Received: by vbbfr13 with SMTP id fr13so2270734vbb.20 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:40:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.185.136 with SMTP id co8mr425884vcb.5.1334306445578; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.58.12 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:40:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120413014027.GA18116@synopsys.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:41:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Updated GCC vs Clang diagnostics From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Manuel_L=F3pez=2DIb=E1=F1ez?= Cc: Joe Buck , Jonathan Wakely , gcc Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org X-SW-Source: 2012-04/txt/msg00565.txt.bz2 On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Manuel L=F3pez-Ib=E1=F1ez wrote: > On 13 April 2012 05:36, Gabriel Dos Reis w= rote: >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Manuel L=F3pez-Ib=E1=F1ez >> wrote: >> >>> I find the color output of Clang just beautiful and, in my opinion, >>> color support in GCC would make it a bit more beautiful and attract >>> new users, so it is a much better use of developer's time than fixing >>> yet another obscure diagnostic issue that only triggers with a careful >>> ad-hoc example. That said, I do really think you are free to work on >>> what interests you, so I hope to see your patches fixing diagnostics >>> issues soon. >> >> Is this the kind of protracted passive-aggressive opinion you were looki= ng for? > > I think my words above should be read in their own context, where > their true meaning can be fully appreciated. Then, one may be able to > appreciate that: > > * Saying "I don't think X is important, so I am against it and you > should spend your free time in Y." and "Of course, you are free to > spend your time in whatever you want." is not logically consistent. > The only choices offered are Y or nothing. > > * A real choice is offered by the paragraph above which changes the > statement to "I don't think X is important, and you should use spend > your free time on Y, but I am not against Y, so patches welcome." > > * In the paragraph above, you also seem to have missed the irony that > the example I chose as "not important" are small diagnostic issues, on > which I (among very very few) have spent significant effort in the > recent years. I was hoping that this irony would help the reader to > understand that the example is not meant to be taken seriously, and it > is only there to demonstrate the previous logical inconsistency. > > But my writing skills are still as poor as always, since it seems I am > having trouble making myself understood by some. So if you still > didn't get my point above, I am unable to explain myself in better > terms. Thus, let's forget about this and focus on the issue at hand. > > Cheers, > > Manuel. If you believe people miss your use of irony, then it is up to you to decid= e how to effectively get your points through effectively -- I am just not sure blaming people for missing your use of irony is effective. If this passive-aggressive strategy was the first or second time, I would not mind -- in fact, I was hoping you would get tired of it yourself. So, yes just to straight to the points. -- Gaby