From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 13952 invoked by alias); 11 Apr 2012 18:52:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 13939 invoked by uid 22791); 11 Apr 2012 18:52:56 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,KHOP_RCVD_TRUST,KHOP_THREADED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_HOSTKARMA_YE X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com (HELO mail-ob0-f175.google.com) (209.85.214.175) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:52:40 +0000 Received: by obbuo13 with SMTP id uo13so1802368obb.20 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:52:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.26.15 with SMTP id h15mr21870795obg.27.1334170360196; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.92.168 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 11:52:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120411203730.0e60e69ac68eab9f7f4739c9@starynkevitch.net> References: <4F7B356E.9080003@google.com> <4F7C35A3.3080207@codesourcery.com> <20120410084614.GJ6148@sunsite.ms.mff.cuni.cz> <1334078968.11195.64.camel@triegel.csb> <1334149073.3101.23.camel@triegel.csb> <4F85856B.5020406@codesourcery.com> <20120411203730.0e60e69ac68eab9f7f4739c9@starynkevitch.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:52:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Switching to C++ by default in 4.8 From: Gabriel Dos Reis To: Basile Starynkevitch Cc: Xinliang David Li , gcc@gcc.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-IsSubscribed: yes Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org X-SW-Source: 2012-04/txt/msg00446.txt.bz2 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Basile Starynkevitch wrote: > On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:30:36 -0700 > Xinliang David Li wrote: > [..] >> >> yes -- GCC is not considered old and not 'cool' -- so it is hard to >> advertise. One criteria to see GCC's future popularity is how widely >> it is adopted by academia .. > > > Do you mean used by academia (including teaching programming with students using GCC), or > do you mean that academia is teaching the internals of GCC, and e.g. have lots of e.g. > PhD students & professors doing their research using and *improving* GCC. I don't see how acceptable plugins for GCC would make my students' life easy for the projects they are currently working on. But, I can see other projects with less invasive structures -- but then there are many alternative infrastructures out there that would make such projects just as easy (starting with eclipse or clang) for the kind of things academia is usually excited about. -- Gaby