From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25546 invoked by alias); 24 Aug 2011 16:26:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 25537 invoked by uid 22791); 24 Aug 2011 16:26:25 -0000 X-SWARE-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (HELO mail-qw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.216.47) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.43rc1) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:26:01 +0000 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5so898066qwh.20 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.3.135 with SMTP id 7mr3770050qcn.43.1314203160336; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.110.11 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110809181534.GR10171@einval.com> <20110823161134.GV3053@linaro.org> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:26:00 -0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [fedora-arm] ARM summit at Plumbers 2011 From: Bill Gatliff To: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Cc: cross-distro@lists.linaro.org, Fedora ARM , Debian ARM , MeeGo Dev , Gentoo Embedded , OpenEmbedded Devel , Ubuntu Devel , Mageia Dev , OLPC Devel , LSB discuss , yocto@yoctoproject.org, cooker@mandrivalinux.org, Linux on small ARM machines , torvalds@linux-foundation.org, Bruce Perens , Russell King , GCC developers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org X-SW-Source: 2011-08/txt/msg00409.txt.bz2 Luke: Step back from the keyboard just a bit. :) It's true that the glass isn't completely full--- but it's pretty darned full! And we wouldn't be discussing the various GPL and other violations that you cite were it not for the overwhelming successes of Free Software, ARM, Linux, and Android. We are well past debating the merits of Free Software et. al, which itself is a huge milestone that we need to recognize. Now it's time to let the lawyers do their jobs. And they will, because there are tremendous sums of money at play. Money that wouldn't be there if it weren't for us developers. But we need to stay out of their way, while at the same time taking care to continue producing tangible things that are worth fighting over. As developers, we've won. Deal with it. Revel in it. And then get over it. I have observed all the hand-wringing regarding the state of ARM Linux, and it's obvious to everyone that there is still work to be done. ARM isn't like PCs, and that's obviously inconvenient for Linus but it's an essential part of ARM's success. Russell King has been overworked for a decade or more, attempting through sheer force of human/developer will to keep ARM Linux from running off the rails. As far as ARM Linux is concerned, I think we're dangerously close to being smothered by our own success. We have to learn to work smarter, because we can't work any harder. And I applaud Linaro and the countless others for recognizing this problem and looking for ways to resolve it. I for one would love to participate in the ARM Summit, but I'm a sole proprietor without an expense account to charge the travel costs to and they are too large for me to carry personally. I suspect I'm not the only one in that situation. The fact that there has been little response to the ARM Summit doesn't mean that nobody cares or that the problems seem to large to solve. It just means that we're going to have to find a different way to get this work done. b.g. -- Bill Gatliff bgat@billgatliff.com