From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1E003856954 for ; Fri, 12 May 2023 02:55:22 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 sourceware.org D1E003856954 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=redhat.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1683860122; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=pC9mLTnYxlYNVHC2EDFwUeU5XLKpPf8EtOnXtQMA0OQ=; b=eqZqDQJUlmLTFGSUJjIBbgKemfqdBC6xAQ91bT2VeSxp5TWq71M2xtROredNkFRJrlErti GGzndnV3/idBRMs+gpwwmQ7IMb70abUxnVlkQeOiwFmbYxBJCYuPVxKM/3e+Cnv7xd6bHq bdomUBi41YRqc7+Z5ew6VqH0UAy6+34= Received: from mail-io1-f72.google.com (mail-io1-f72.google.com [209.85.166.72]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.3, cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-126-gGL32Mm5OxisxO6-lcElGw-1; Thu, 11 May 2023 22:55:19 -0400 X-MC-Unique: gGL32Mm5OxisxO6-lcElGw-1 Received: by mail-io1-f72.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-76c6c1b16d2so414650439f.1 for ; Thu, 11 May 2023 19:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1683860118; x=1686452118; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=pC9mLTnYxlYNVHC2EDFwUeU5XLKpPf8EtOnXtQMA0OQ=; b=e/4x/jSc5vkbckCiNQK4roJj6uJZ8RkCAkumXJPQ3bdK/+Mh2Qebh4uEYLe0JQKQJo /CVCbVTxt98NvV8RwdILl5l4Hf1p3h1FBZyww9kyj7biBny/22AiSiMUYw0vqN5yuwaF eolAi6Mr2GfEC1KRycI2oMcgRRwCUPW1hIYeG97B8aoUtF0KSRspRfIZsKIJDpwUr7kN 5iUFfQP5n/lb4mQofjC2WOull4bweg++nz5QqZdRq+ynkDWFj72kT+hY2sIo0rAnZEGs RbZC0Ka++HIV1RZJp4wLPji/rT+RTVvNQinxmy4GIJfXQcOJXXGhCDDm4UMQql9rDz8D OfiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDyuYAFvDV77+i7fOHaq1vlGr7GrtD4cA+ZDPgzssdbns6xSECsg A7pkpFYiufO9MmUk0glnnqTsUhcQqpCiRhnFUPeq0Ki7fd8SwQEm6ASEBcDkzVhdJEpUlnPrZuf ZfAcxF065kqPUKkLM65969vE= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d08d:0:b0:335:9303:4345 with SMTP id h13-20020a92d08d000000b0033593034345mr8358385ilh.25.1683860118142; Thu, 11 May 2023 19:55:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7I9/c0UGbupF4sN0QwRlVttDfBxIsL5UiKdkxh5k+DzCEygFeVWanKu8CIaV9E7n30JaXMUy7JqutYO18Y5h4= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d08d:0:b0:335:9303:4345 with SMTP id h13-20020a92d08d000000b0033593034345mr8358376ilh.25.1683860117933; Thu, 11 May 2023 19:55:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87mt2behdl.fsf@yahoo.com> <57238276-5966-98d6-d5f0-f5451013ed17@gmail.com> <871qjned25.fsf@yahoo.com> <67e65b41-5400-d1c2-9f43-f94d0ea7da9b@gmail.com> <83zg6b5qsv.fsf@gnu.org> <6a892ea3-6859-955f-f491-d90ccaf562ca@gmail.com> <87ednmb7fj.fsf@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <87ednmb7fj.fsf@yahoo.com> From: Jason Merrill Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 22:55:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: More C type errors by default for GCC 14 To: Po Lu Cc: Eli Schwartz , Eli Zaretskii , gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,KAM_NUMSUBJECT,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,TXREP,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org List-Id: On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:39=E2=80=AFPM Po Lu via Gcc wr= ote: > > Eli Schwartz writes: > > > This discussion thread is about having very good technical reasons -- a= s > > explained multiple times, including instances where you agreed that the > > technical reasons were good. > > > > Furthermore, even despite those technical reasons, GCC is *still* > > committed to not breaking those old programs anyway. GCC merely wants t= o > > make those old programs have to be compiled in an "old-programs" mode. > > > > Can you explain to me how you think this goal conflicts with your goal? > > Because now people will have to go through dozens and dozens of > Makefiles, configure.in, *.m4 You shouldn't have to change any of those, just configure with CC=3D"gcc -fwhatever". Jason