From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wr1-x431.google.com (mail-wr1-x431.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::431]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA5D139518B4 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 06:30:05 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org DA5D139518B4 Received: by mail-wr1-x431.google.com with SMTP id j5so31726783wrn.4 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 23:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Q/FI0II2VGz6WyLemlwS9y+zb22BTPIzC5Q3OPkGuCw=; b=PX+FAFsouhvveB5Ap4AnsdYIfVALjMxA3jtRc1BuFxFxtK377YHfcebT1ydOZfdWBb wBOuU7tY74H81JUjDoi4bYevu71NrfkMf98pcIVKes3aSrtXrA4TtXF4N0pF1iB86c0M SH7Q6vKCCktUKQL0JmqH2aHhO6BrGtIK08XUPwGTS7kDeJMN6EhK2U4h1CwUBijaN0RY c7+4Z1fLvWnTNFOmIfOMzFgWQ5NFIYvXrnrBs2H4AIYavZDyo3sUBuP5KyqT7sfPLE8G GXbDEORXMtaHBruY2WRbdtNTFeEi0/YlHnwvitalHUJDP7MK4yjZK0/QnpAOyiTXV6Zu SZlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5311zJ+DRnMGb07sjrI1qXwm0GfqDVLDtg2ZP6Z3EyFN2FZqwqax q8Gs6EjL73NqgdNOz11Q1wQpsj24+JPHFO9XO0E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxzfSa1mUhxkyDw1HvPPomNwP/gBM8iKYMNl1kH2d8gpTDULWFCHqi8w9oS4CPOFZpN+A4nNjG4Y2TwWbhnhPg= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:51cf:: with SMTP id n15mr12774429wrv.30.1618813804645; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 23:30:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <40f0e05b-3156-a649-b636-c90b8b8e0f8@pfeifer.com> <4A7DE074-9600-4513-A05C-566926D447BE@tesio.it> <535f1dcf-2258-c817-cf72-5c49dc9e5823@hesbynett.no> <20210418131052.GB320802@thyrsus.com> <92c014fc39022ea03c6c801bb76ab39674e8a6fb.camel@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: From: Jonathan Wakely Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 07:29:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers To: Frosku Cc: Alexandre Oliva , Jonathan Wakely via Gcc X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, LOTS_OF_MONEY, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 06:30:07 -0000 On Mon, 19 Apr 2021, 02:41 Frosku, wrote: > On Sun Apr 18, 2021 at 9:22 PM BST, Alexandre Oliva via Gcc wrote: > > That's why it's best to dissent politely, lest they incorrectly conclude > > their opinions are consensual, or majoritary, just because they've > > driven dissenters into silence. > > The problem is, Alex, that the trolls mostly haven't been on the dissenting > side. All of the childish namecalling -- "jerks", "trolls", "crazies" -- > and the insinuations that our voices aren't worth listening to because we > don't get paid $250,000 a year by Google to contribute to GCC all day are > coming from the pro-forking side. > Google doesn't pay anybody to work on GCC all day. You know nothing about GCC or the "problems" you're complaining about. Your input to this conversation is not constructive. > Once upon a time, free software developers understood that users' opinions > were as valid as contributor's opinions. That depends on the user.