From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA21439450CD for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:06:33 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org DA21439450CD Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id p19so17003646wmq.1 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:06:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rBYZ5RhonYsKi0rACQ1gDF50e+Lk2K5V1inRWxKx1t4=; b=OybrhMuJT+6jcYCWmFIlk19/rbgXOKFEze0wzv9dAYcOG9E+/GV3dD1LIqtBlc/DoA pBNNdbIrn+JzusUFeJWcZw9RGAy2BHAFldWGvKpktMPMJYb9QcvDLWsRM2y/4y6EEm/+ RvrNuWBttf1tAGpVGM9Q1m7RiaoLmXnt75AXEI3BbiF1A6vxJgAI9xIlTHalT0gxQZW3 uVW3NpWZN3oF4oAUKstAXPy80L830+j5/enDIN4wpOUkVbem2CpxIU0QeHhNaL4qUwv3 1C42Oh4/a1W0KYlEYJL3zcnCAmd9q6iMpX1xEpe6PaivabFruIVdyvBsKYoJnc2EfE95 Ltcw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533iRDDk5dIwZccTHRknMT1rZnZDP5mfx/uq+ojT67evfxF/eE4J 7sCus6k2G8q8viopSrtshd/OKIj7EGI+8RS7McCX100k X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx022/tP9lDlkm/FJE8gqk3ryG1OFITyqVCgdcinxxXGlotitzKLTkSOafflAKxvPkaVOPFfO8Og28CdfaAnos= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:6587:: with SMTP id z129mr18157596wmb.106.1618772793095; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:06:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <40f0e05b-3156-a649-b636-c90b8b8e0f8@pfeifer.com> <4A7DE074-9600-4513-A05C-566926D447BE@tesio.it> <535f1dcf-2258-c817-cf72-5c49dc9e5823@hesbynett.no> <20210418131052.GB320802@thyrsus.com> <92c014fc39022ea03c6c801bb76ab39674e8a6fb.camel@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <92c014fc39022ea03c6c801bb76ab39674e8a6fb.camel@redhat.com> From: Jonathan Wakely Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 20:06:21 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers To: David Malcolm Cc: Ian Lance Taylor , GCC Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:06:39 -0000 On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 at 16:32, David Malcolm wrote: > > "Don't feed the trolls" might have worked once, but sometimes they > start talking to each other, and it becomes difficult for a bystander > to tell that everyone else is ignoring them, and it keeps threads like > this one alive. > > I reject the idea that those of us who work on GCC have to put up with > arbitrary emails from random crazies on the internet without even the > simple recourse of being able to put individuals on moderation. That > might have worked 20 years ago when I thought ESR was relevant, but > seems absurdly out-of-date to me today. Hear hear. "Just ignore them" allows the trolls to dominate the discussion, and makes it appear that the entire GCC project is full of such people (when in fact the ones dominating the discussions have nothing to do with the project). Moderation is not censorship.