From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [IPv6:2001:470:142:3::e]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75C81386EC43 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 14:17:53 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 75C81386EC43 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43968) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lVauN-0001BI-KK; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 10:17:51 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-x436.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::436]:39788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVauI-0001bq-PF; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 10:17:51 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-x436.google.com with SMTP id s7so10120487wru.6; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 07:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0us9neQvhZoLy2JnvseFNrcFJVWlMyZcuYO2jRsAq6Y=; b=HNmJQ7IZb2pY3YAwQymrMmFKHD7RyIZXXTrUZljpNgloGmGstVnQBSUXUhDyHgwLpx 6pXDpWvTbeLE3NsABnbiBR6hRJJDF9QMlrTZew9JQCWvn8yx1GHGajTT/tZHEtsBjCiU ooZ5Kkfkl2oOM9+10wtWGXEnlsRK3c7jZp6jmZs1Our3EUbTwYimoRl0r5IxRpNp4N06 6em8xkNw0hB5Hgn/7q5jH8jJCjiiCZ/0XIUXzxB9JIUtPGfSvpuVtIl5PX4dM9bM+mb2 f3hnzroDD6Sz6lWb5/KwcQfPdlwqxfaDi/ji0UHepbPFe39YzNOXhPDNO3V1wXwu8Yvg KosQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5316vUkrR0QxYV2LO7MZk0P25bU0UL4MXix+W/tT9Y8QjQ3Z7LCG uDqFF3E4+0KnCH0clvnGYGZNUNX01SfSkpKh8frYupri X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxolLMP9ufD3rZnI5pAxHbfB2YkGbR6EgMz+1lUNrC/w87qYPifgRWGA5oDtMM4bJmjcEso2VCaBTZoIPtY3k4= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:658c:: with SMTP id q12mr26498027wru.30.1618150663065; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 07:17:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6aca6d2f057a5bbbd23016c1518f1beeef1c1f96.camel@redhat.com> <20210407162454.GA22759@jocasta.intra> <20210408064528.GA10349@jocasta.intra> <94ca414af699bab851008f86f006db4bd8bf1929.camel@redhat.com> <20210408182128.GA19715@jocasta.intra> <5f532c131146b9c7549f03eac7a9da3a29db1a2e.camel@redhat.com> <20210409063749.GA8596@jocasta.intra> <04fa3173-9809-b905-8fa3-f6554b8ae7d7@hesbynett.no> <06eb8287-e6bb-270f-e5a5-730c10bb31ef@hesbynett.no> <5a4a24bf9e3cc2299793c53516f6a20c@appliantology.com> <20210410201052.841C433CAC@vlsi1.gnat.com> <1e307343-c6cd-fcc8-d734-623b70619081@pfeifer.com> In-Reply-To: From: Jonathan Wakely Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:17:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GCC association with the FSF To: Alexandre Oliva Cc: Gerald Pfeifer , gcc@gnu.org Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::436; envelope-from=jwakely.gcc@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x436.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 14:17:56 -0000 On Sun, 11 Apr 2021, 14:59 Alexandre Oliva via Gcc, wrote: > On Apr 10, 2021, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > > > When it comes to deciding the direction of a project like GCC - > technical > > and otherwise - in my mind it primarily should be those actually > involved > > and contributing. > > GNU follows the general principle of the Free Software movement, that > freedom for *users* is the priority. Assigning *higher* importance to > developers' preferences is *not* a position I share. > Freedom for users is provided by the licences of the GCC code. Any particular form of leadership or veneration of the project founder is not required for that be true. Unless maybe I'm still misreading the four freedoms, or maybe they are not a proper description of the principles. Maybe the four freedoms need to be corrected to add this implicit requirement that association with a particular group is necessary. Could you look into that please, Alex?