From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com (mail-lf1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3588A385AE69 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:16:30 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 3588A385AE69 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=archaeologic.codes Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=archaeologic.codes Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id a15so13337305lfb.9 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:16:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=archaeologic.codes; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fA8pj5RJL4wnDr3T2CeTTrxy8IdWEqaeqT0D5ZnKVXI=; b=MJFkAI/E0xSt1s4SktOGxk1Mh1v/Slx1K7tYabFdr5ruUFflpU3ZUYcGZSas2znx8r 8RSz+N5lutQp7GRpTBURb4+grgR/0ZoTu2CjHa+Ld7BljJMCM5lex6Er1ISTWh9gW+Bh 7xYOeJaXGZDdmqXkKv2+4yFqzDk6OT70B28Qip5GagwtC1MyTLawTV9KO7N/CVO14Eel csVFaLGs/wef8KmET+IuYavXxPonjBg0RQNmzupGBfj6Wtg+3jXZH6lLhBKUWlzuOLI/ c//XoMZ/3fvEeMozXx0egpZ3QEYWPspu1VuH9P6r+8avHGNt8HDWwRjRJwllTjoVw+WT i29Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fA8pj5RJL4wnDr3T2CeTTrxy8IdWEqaeqT0D5ZnKVXI=; b=BYUkSwKd8+gBUysLBJsbuZ5VH/723yC8XDMnTLVOH78R7/3qw7RZaqlrBQPWRk5j1L rMFdvrlsvr547VpV2awE6xIxGSmapAI/czfDyRZsAyHAvesBqyezwMdOWnBu9Qm+o083 Envj9m1elHH09ZTdRrgReDqtA8ml2ewboU/moaR800jIaQoZk+7mSVwZvOhijtZYuhbp dCRLsqUFZhAiyISbVrZS1KgCNO21cFf/gMujlZrP5BX/pUAZA6Vvu5+YYZKqm/x9stNT xSGdEkS066jWZSIg7tV4C8ifEgqX3Ck4ZdGzQGZGNOg/zsuFLIngZAhQeZB82CIgWzZN s8ew== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8Y6/Ck+mNUjR884zf223SiTSNfw1a3nk6a0LklAaV0KlVpEePV HlvaGeZKuIIJbdb/cKPu+QEY6esg5alMy9aOUH0MvQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1ucmZR7PwE4+sAfLlLd0lnrYxkT1DtRLbmD/6mJIPsQMJVEORuMTBC/D64uEOOkgXPnkIFtGvRbgdxRkjabyxk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:b95:b0:479:65bd:ac2f with SMTP id b21-20020a0565120b9500b0047965bdac2fmr2705351lfv.445.1655205387271; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:16:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Damian Rouson Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GSoC Blog Post 0 - GCCprefab build system To: Jonathan Wakely Cc: Wileam Yonatan Phan , "fortran@gcc.gnu.org List" , "gcc@gcc.gnu.org" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, HTML_MESSAGE, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:16:32 -0000 On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 8:27 AM Jonathan Wakely via Fortran < fortran@gcc.gnu.org> wrote: > > It doesn't include them, but they are standard system packages that > everybody can install without downloading the sources and building > them from scratch. unless the person is on a system on which they are not preinstalled and a system for which the person doesn=E2=80=99t have the sudo privileges that p= ackage managers often require. What I=E2=80=99m describing is the norm for a lot = of government employees and even many people at private corporations with strict security policies. For what it=E2=80=99s worth, I=E2=80=99ve been a= ssisting someone who contacted me with this very issue over the past few days. Building the entire stack from source is the least painful option for this person. You still need to have the other prerequisites listed at > https://gcc.gnu.org/install/prerequisites.html That is a long and daunting list for a newcomer. I=E2=80=99ve listened to = gfortran developers describe building gfortran as =E2=80=9Ceasy=E2=80=9D for more th= an a decade now. Simply saying it=E2=80=99s easy doesn=E2=80=99t make it so. I don=E2=80=99t know t= hat I=E2=80=99ve ever met someone who described the process as easy unless that person was a gfortran developer. Damian >