From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x132.google.com (mail-lf1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::132]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F74B3864858 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:06:05 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 7F74B3864858 Received: by mail-lf1-x132.google.com with SMTP id i10so4967460lfe.11 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:06:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JBghulp1MyfWa3MddXA4CHi1U0lAmUkCtcQIIn839tU=; b=nzwEhzwbqSkLGclAd1OKqoUNVz6E7OUqxc1OttrybP2kYEtCQW4gmgC9XRGpyBLTX8 4e2ysh5705zejGvCL7Uba/vKFrWXfApW756/yIx83Y+99lnBqsv+LP51W8giAfP7bkVZ bHG/9MhAM96mrSCqZFSOIdu3QVZlZ/rzfrJT02gdM2AESqlzUwRR6IXcMH5BMIk8rT0T U2Ln6JaiLc0LQEb2KAaoC2CmkNt9GQ5JzglwLkU/VyK62bALGEmGGZtcU19hPoz+Wfz4 jNEiT0bry+VHqRwqkcVEpY5+Qx+hdLCH9QBumLjAEcqd13yU8x2eMrtGhTIeCHnAOI6S fI5g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5304A4ybs5E0OAEHRe0+LSyhyoFLD4Zg5M4xZ3t8osL9N69ijE22 KymnVZh/VSjBHIEoF+D28gH554AqscTYYNrqtaJzkg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyXG1PFon42idJVvA9GaibZo+V3GNIfzB+KVfuaVzsXk95qwTtVKMQSSn7/Ekyp6Ypn2Z8g5th+PBF6CQQaYe4= X-Received: by 2002:a19:6109:: with SMTP id v9mr394181lfb.331.1618513563944; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:06:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> From: Ian Lance Taylor Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:05:51 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers To: David Malcolm Cc: GCC Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIMWL_WL_MED, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, ENV_AND_HDR_SPF_MATCH, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL, USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:06:07 -0000 On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM David Malcolm via Gcc wrote: > > I still admire much of what RMS has written, and have spent much of my > career trying to implement part of a vision inspired by him. I'm sad > about the way things have turned out. Twitter seems to turn everything > into a pitched battle between two camps. I hope there's room for a > nuanced view of him - the good and the less good. I don't know what > role he should have, but I think it should not be a leadership one, and > I think the FSF and GNU need to greatly change to stay relevant, > including on governance and on succession plans. None of us are > getting any younger, and the vision of the FSF and GNU seems to me to > be stuck in the 1990s (or earlier). Thanks, that is well put. That describes my own feelings as well. To be very blunt, I don't know how to read https://www.fsf.org/news/rms-addresses-the-free-software-community and think "the person who wrote this should be in a leadership role." I don't think RMS is a bad person. I think that RMS can still have a great deal to contribute to free software as a programmer and as a philosopher. But those are not the words of a leader. Leadership is about people: understanding what people need, understanding how to motivate them toward a shared goal. What I see in that essay is somebody who doesn't understand people very well, and is not all that interested in learning. Ian