From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o18.zoho.com (sender4-op-o18.zoho.com [136.143.188.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C152395700F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:57:37 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 7C152395700F Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=frosku.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1618412239; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=MIAxemX5+ieiS0/m+Y2+VFDQSv6/BCGkiJwere8HcAYGx3qcVitR9OPiSdRMZMk2TCZBkJKh2HdBeEIdtOI6lrB2ca3J0gPBbWnFOH7fHHvNvUy1Vm9Z+xOwkIqDOCgdqXoB718Cu5/fA0e/GorPLVrdpmqsBYwdFU2Et72EPfc= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1618412239; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=kxwncMH5UdAWSGpbOXvp5043yNHC9H78RTnRUCH0e1E=; b=JfCoJK1C6XwmrCT7wXYjrpRvhao8bIK5cDOyAidhdLEByiXWAk922GfCJfdO2HudruamEY5zO1CtuyO2M3nLAQFeBPJqD8vqY5soaMlW/h13NEiB5Kz8xFwjtvK7xhG6xbfs0kS1CBxYGLU3iwKrmn+zgu/x2bKNSGKDKiGKYo4= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=frosku.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1618412239; s=zoho; d=frosku.com; i=frosku@frosku.com; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Cc:Subject:From:To:References:In-Reply-To; bh=kxwncMH5UdAWSGpbOXvp5043yNHC9H78RTnRUCH0e1E=; b=Gm7wRbkqgUseheoxGK/9pOdTbgvVRNJgLmmqz/Y71MFC+dCvw9DG9RpRGOiecHsI nfVc2WjRCvrRbCnP8HJ91kb55xwT2cHzqn2vX54uh2ZS02sbWO6CLDAsKdTpwwJbpp1 zxtqGbI10YVnn4DNZb5BwexozlrwVeGVYYaYpgWA= Received: from localhost (90.210.249.179 [90.210.249.179]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1618412236275585.6647429995033; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 07:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:57:13 +0100 Message-Id: Cc: Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers From: "Frosku" To: "Nathan Sidwell" , "Richard Kenner" , References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> In-Reply-To: X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:57:39 -0000 On Wed Apr 14, 2021 at 3:54 PM BST, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > On 4/14/21 10:23 AM, Richard Kenner wrote: > >> The choice to have a policy for ejecting jerks has serious costs. > >> One of those costs is the kind of rancorous dispute that has been > >> burning like a brushfire on this list the last few weeks. > >=20 > > I agree. Look at the huge ongoing debate about Section 230 in the US > > that's been going on for at least months. This is something that seems > > like it ought to have a simple solution, but it doesn't. > >=20 > > The choice to /not/ have a policy for ejecting jerks has serious costs. > One of those costs is the kind of rancorous dispute that has been > burning like a brushfire on this list the last few weeks. > > > -- > Nathan Sidwell The implication of this being what? That you would have just removed everyone who disagreed with you from the debate for being 'jerks'? There is a way to avoid this kind of "rancorous dispute" -- not proposing and then doubling down on widely unpopular and technically meritless ideas. >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D> 1= } =3D<<