From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o18.zoho.com (sender4-op-o18.zoho.com [136.143.188.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A04C395C829 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:21:48 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 5A04C395C829 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=frosku.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1618413701; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=nb2oae5ddO2HcvHqGQjI7jr2Gp0yVC0uqLFH3mYuo0XqS6dlCeYOWvUp5f5bUpFQQGQpsD3SF7i/fPWNrZmY5cU5xZRmdsW7ymd/rYh5aR/i8a4VRAcg0Dpp5VfrDmIwPVvBQizY/OiH/PFUWK5S20A09ngrVdrWyGP33dGA8p8= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1618413701; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=ez3GnoOsJHMW4bQmWYTubVe4RKVnG0ypd+HcgJEvgpw=; b=YQhX2JEVhu3oh3Kz/LIo3TyjlZBbQ62sPvHPL7WYT0b0zVofZn55SuHAE/NThIbLG6Ps7GH/YYLjCoGXRgfGKNS6lba4vQnGmZRBGn33TMtYl/pxHFUYqynIQ9ZNbvRz+W1VVciG7mZLWl3XofkPPg9zwDVi2s5VlFjgLrS6MqY= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=frosku.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1618413701; s=zoho; d=frosku.com; i=frosku@frosku.com; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Cc:Subject:From:To:References:In-Reply-To; bh=ez3GnoOsJHMW4bQmWYTubVe4RKVnG0ypd+HcgJEvgpw=; b=Y49Q+UfREFDpOyJKxHyBqBbymgxyYwoy2ik4RGY12MjzDWJQ4INqM7q8AVoXg70d jroY7ZkB/iCiMscNt6uaijsif5C3YulSsmiiw3c+YyZlVzGVVpNcF/Oy6vsxQTA5Smx RTFNrbpWJ8rm3wYfrQEDDDeDx82u51FsOMoV/3N8= Received: from localhost (90.210.249.179 [90.210.249.179]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1618413697457369.63251528243075; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 08:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 16:21:35 +0100 Message-Id: Cc: Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers From: "Frosku" To: "Richard Kenner" , References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414151838.984C033E3A@vlsi1.gnat.com> In-Reply-To: <20210414151838.984C033E3A@vlsi1.gnat.com> X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:21:49 -0000 On Wed Apr 14, 2021 at 12:18 PM BST, Richard Kenner via Gcc wrote: > > The choice to /not/ have a policy for ejecting jerks has serious costs.= =20 > > One of those costs is the kind of rancorous dispute that has been > > burning like a brushfire on this list the last few weeks. > > Although I agree with the sentiment, there's a real risk that if we > were heading in that direction, we'd be replacing part of that > rancorous dispute with another rancorous dispute, this time about > whether to eject people. And after that, an ongoing rancorous debate about who to eject, which was ESR's premise: a project which decides its purpose is to separate from wrongthinkers is naturally going to waste a lot of valuable time and effort arguing about what counts as wrongthink. Time and effort which could better be spent developing free software. >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D> 1= } =3D<<