From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o18.zoho.com (sender4-op-o18.zoho.com [136.143.188.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B901385803D for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:41:12 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 4B901385803D Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=frosku.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1618440061; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=GPGJJcjPsnd8MT80okiaqnPmBXy0pUrzW6GdZSPxu1WmlbYR8upmszVZ7ce6pQWBlsTefCzQ3kR4Sj6XZjcBDPojXI9ccxHfuemnaWSmmrTZxTMPRnhjq7TNbcndqvg9dAAmN1Hr1xuGVGV3ZxykoLXuCcwW8lguScQrdKBXlHc= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1618440061; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=ziwMYYIQmwFqRIpbjIfV3Gmqk77aEQZbQZZ7LUBqsZE=; b=ngbhork7nkk/kl9iVMQTV6Cy3T1ze7KzXPoQgBFAoXANFTbxcS20spuuctt8Bv9dYkbkDMGetqRXhQF6uSKGZDkvtSKJwCWMKmeKIK8bERJmZLLY/D94/9pNYKAGJq9f0rnycz89PuyohWhFdR9a2k3fn6+078DNl3b2YJPdWOw= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=frosku.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1618440061; s=zoho; d=frosku.com; i=frosku@frosku.com; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Subject:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To; bh=ziwMYYIQmwFqRIpbjIfV3Gmqk77aEQZbQZZ7LUBqsZE=; b=BpItR9WY9Njp8skQPlSEEi6UgNqmCHWPXA8eUUMfLub7/i9xE/f+D5o4NVnOHNgu yqQ8H+07DeVQtU+yZOWuiMq01DeQvme7E2d7ertS1xjjou8ZCyDke5s65aVnOKMhNWK K81jKCDxiIZLHG16AtyoGt3C9DWKAWJ8JQKzglkc= Received: from localhost (90.210.249.179 [90.210.249.179]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 161844005869775.73657864029565; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 15:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 23:40:56 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers From: "Frosku" To: "Paul Koning" , "Ian Lance Taylor" Cc: "GCC Development" References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <093dbfde-a7b5-a55c-8a03-3e82460bce67@acm.org> <82189248-2E7D-46FF-A0A4-7C3D79463D54@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <82189248-2E7D-46FF-A0A4-7C3D79463D54@comcast.net> X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3488.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:41:13 -0000 On Wed Apr 14, 2021 at 9:49 PM BST, Paul Koning via Gcc wrote: > > My answer is "it depends". More precisely, in the past I would have > favored those who decline because the environment is unpleasant -- with > the implied assumption being that their objections are reasonable. Given > the emergency of cancel culture, that assumption is no longer > automatically valid. > > This is why I asked the question "who decides?" Given a disagreement in > which the proposed remedy is to ostracise a participant, it is necessary > to inquire for what reason this should be done (and, perhaps, who is > pushing for it to be done). My suggestion is that this judgment can be > made by the community (via secret ballot), unless it is decided to > delegate that power to a smaller body, considered as trustees, or > whatever you choose to call them. > > paul I think, in general, it's fine to leave this decision to moderators. It's just a little disconcerting when one of the people who would probably be moderating is saying that he could have shut down the discussion if he could only ban jerks, as if to imply that everyone who dares to disagree with his position is a jerk worthy of a ban. >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D> 1= } =3D<<