From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o18.zoho.com (sender4-op-o18.zoho.com [136.143.188.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C32983865483 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:41:43 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org C32983865483 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=frosku.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1618533694; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=hghlalcghoqFgGy7olpO6YdqFZi7QG8Bt9u0ZXgSR7X9vF8VdIVzCkZphrnCMcr/wUxq0iFGd6GiYjVUJzeL+z9AaoeUoivQyJ7/cYJ4OFAGDQNrbU7klnh3bVyKiEQu2eaYJwl0/Aj//lV0LywOgYTCgvZRC9muV5eEYCANCeU= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1618533694; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=eVTdYJ/8Hrbf8P8LM5EwwaHC513021KGO3SjUblUvj8=; b=TL7oexTUacFE+PXVL0XUoKXnNKPNd5D7cC8XbE2NgTOcIoXLMUn8RtcI8wklKlq/ASu5UPBJe8DvSiDrxf93PKg0/OcxrQoTj41+gN1o49s60QI/DC3csDa6OI+NtSn3OlUJsCqLvkUMEP61h137SY0kf8bqGbUHAT7Y3TQOnUA= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=frosku.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1618533694; s=zoho; d=frosku.com; i=frosku@frosku.com; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Cc:Subject:From:To:References:In-Reply-To; bh=eVTdYJ/8Hrbf8P8LM5EwwaHC513021KGO3SjUblUvj8=; b=VGY2kQMh7qkNkbOz8PKonBFs4QVWy9V9SXyMxMZ4zsq8u85/br2o33e2OIRkvMeC c/pe+dUz+ZZpvmBKwpqOTIADgBdgQ7tUo2jDbHWBkZEIrqcJz+Ivbmk26irTPW3bZjB y0Kzq3YWxTq9ZcL/fB3tejFhRJeZT2AnXSpOlMOQ= Received: from localhost (90.210.249.179 [90.210.249.179]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1618533691583737.9142194930606; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 17:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 01:41:29 +0100 Message-Id: Cc: , "Christopher Dimech" , "GCC Development" Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers From: "Frosku" To: "Joseph Myers" References: <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <20210415235237.GA71223@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3488.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:41:45 -0000 On Fri Apr 16, 2021 at 1:16 AM BST, Joseph Myers wrote: > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021, Frosku wrote: > > > Right now, the ultimate oversight of GCC sits with GNU & > > FSF -- both institutions with a mandate to represent the ecosystem base= d > > on level of membership and time spent fighting for free software. > > I think the oversight of glibc by development working through discussion > seeking consensus, and rejecting any attempt to override such consensus > "from above", is much more effective than any attempt GNU or FSF makes > at > oversight. An umbrella organization for the toolchain should not act as > an "above" that can override the community at all; it should provide > services to the toolchain (e.g. legal support) as needed. > > -- > Joseph S. Myers > joseph@codesourcery.com The way I see it, the developers represent the interests of the developers, and FSF/GNU represent the interests of the users. The users should always have some level of representation in any steering discussion, especially for a project like GCC where any poor decision could have a negative effect on so many other free software projects. >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D> 1= } =3D<<