From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o18.zoho.com (sender4-op-o18.zoho.com [136.143.188.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 259D6383303D for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:36:35 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 259D6383303D Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=frosku.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1618648587; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=Z9Qb61tNCAtLpX0itH9yWJt/l4hVTqSnoUvWm0efgIRvUg1b6ltkRf1IbqI7WSpSbPGWXtYqEFPZHvwuls3xjrWILx3IzDCbY5/+/SONHhWaeK0ls+bkvX2KGcaLtDjTyTwxyCLa1KgTlphxUZlzc1H4r0W92s3YPiZZbZZMkoY= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1618648587; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=0T5rHgsXM04FtPC5D9i1dvKmmtwtnee/VCe2GvU65HI=; b=fjRa3a4vfR4/f4t9N8FzFKmpbOF3QUw68IpV0VNDjZ6U0bbSeNk0Sn92xK2UqZye6IsTh/v3ZZ/cMK+PN2Gt4kV6u5hsgP+4efc/Idq1z8E939O2hrM37dNZb3qyQ3RAsx2HKywZwbDs5aHjx3Cuo04KImOruL5gZYahR+rn5Ag= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=frosku.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1618648587; s=zoho; d=frosku.com; i=frosku@frosku.com; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:Cc:Subject:From:To:References:In-Reply-To; bh=0T5rHgsXM04FtPC5D9i1dvKmmtwtnee/VCe2GvU65HI=; b=aGOGLX3q9g4jDrn9ZhX2ZKN1nz2qpPcQB1LKJAupnCXezasg6R0v58IcEkUU5U8d nWCaqG6UP1Ec9FNHJ1yrpvi3+4C48X3aeUs5mxTwNBO1v9/7QZdXAhwVFVEtKvc1THI 7fobcRaRJM0NWr9qJZy7AIOXV+ukJJu+tC48vkE0= Received: from localhost (90.210.249.179 [90.210.249.179]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1618648585514154.72465695386848; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 01:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:36:23 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers From: "Frosku" To: "Aaron Gyes" , References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <20210415232851.GA67555@thyrsus.com> <96e9ac78-02d1-5963-00e8-374e8491a0c0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3488.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 08:36:46 -0000 On Sat Apr 17, 2021 at 9:27 AM BST, Aaron Gyes via Gcc wrote: > Give me a break Forsku. > > Could you care to share how you feel imposed upon or feel > disenfranchised by > this discussion not being sensitive to your culture? How does a code of > conduct, > or how would discouraging =E2=80=9Cmicro-aggressions=E2=80=9D disrespect = your lived > experiences > or make it uncomfortable for you to contribute to GCC? I have no idea what "micro-aggressions" are other than what I read on the news. It's not a concept that is known outside of a bubble in parts of the United States. I have never lived in that bubble, it is not a term I have ever heard face-to-face, therefore I have no idea whether it affects me or not. I do know that I'd feel pretty uncomfortable signing up to not cause something when I have no idea what it is. I feel imposed upon when, as a volunteer, I'm expected to submit not just my volunteered time but all of my time in every venue to your cultural norms. This is not normal. Just because some of you are paid very nice salaries to hack on free software doesn't mean all of us are. > It=E2=80=99s interesting the unkind reaction Liu Hao received in this ver= y > thread > when they encountered the arguments making a false equivalency of these > proposals > to their countries=E2=80=99 history. I=E2=80=99m sure he felt not great, = being > forced to either > defend the CCP or not share their views on the questions of this > conversation. I didn't see that, but yes it's unreasonable to expect anyone to defend the CCP (or any government for that matter) in order to contribute views to an argument. Everyone should be encouraged to share their views on something which is important to all of us: the wellbeing of GCC going forwards. Language like "give me a break", btw, or expecting someone to explain how a code of conduct which hasn't been written yet 'imposes' on them personally is also not encouraging. >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D> 1= } =3D<<