From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o18.zoho.com (sender4-op-o18.zoho.com [136.143.188.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AB2D3894438 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:25:18 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 1AB2D3894438 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=frosku.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1618651510; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=Yp+W30KNBb/LyeMGj1aCpzOeNjvPx5swHK4lh4UmmocRn/qTzRIrzv4DgRsiGj7qWV9PgZzl7rLR1x47KVq0T20FFv3nzaWYJTxino0/ins3ZkXCzSjZsTAagrGLveBfKh9gbiuYK5UlUJ0XTiCQWKR8gzCczcK3TLj1dnmKYiw= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1618651510; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=qKH04UEB80SyUKV8lDxIory0QqOoAyZ/h+bqE8c5YtU=; b=DN1njdczxrQgBxY0C4z9LxmpBeNsSKXGjwZ4K1l/4qojlIW4jenNpjYegYgVevqydRask5rRkMfvH8Grb0Z9uTaP9G8a9QSL1Rm6QarNcMNejnv93FAkgDQGeLEq7oG663Yu3QQ5SZuxrjeX0Qnc/5nTmxByYNnkx5vpzI78ENs= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=frosku.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1618651510; s=zoho; d=frosku.com; i=frosku@frosku.com; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:To:Cc:Subject:From:References:In-Reply-To; bh=qKH04UEB80SyUKV8lDxIory0QqOoAyZ/h+bqE8c5YtU=; b=M4ZXDWrNOu4F2VSdtzaf4eNU74OzVD+RRAp0cpU1gJz1BZtayR/V1s/P19aShVS2 OzrpkECHG+kj+se713YTPfaFLGM6RMXrH3f2QBVKgYZoJ//GZjkrLkJ2r2Q84HzZtPr quVkXBZkZz9SjLPo3nx1Yt6sT/KqhG/DUlni6Teo= Received: from localhost (90.210.249.179 [90.210.249.179]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1618651509460137.45668415097168; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 02:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:25:07 +0100 Message-Id: To: "Aaron Gyes" , Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers From: "Frosku" References: <20210414131843.GA4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210414142310.98E0833DD0@vlsi1.gnat.com> <20210414152112.GD4138043@thyrsus.com> <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <20210415232851.GA67555@thyrsus.com> <96e9ac78-02d1-5963-00e8-374e8491a0c0@gmail.com> <280FF748-4902-4180-8CB6-B1EB02A1C22B@icloud.com> In-Reply-To: <280FF748-4902-4180-8CB6-B1EB02A1C22B@icloud.com> X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3488.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:25:28 -0000 On Sat Apr 17, 2021 at 10:04 AM BST, Aaron Gyes via Gcc wrote: > On Apr 17, 2021, at 1:36 AM, Frosku wrote: > > I feel imposed upon when, as a volunteer, I'm expected to submit not ju= st > > my volunteered time but all of my time in every venue to your cultural > > norms. This is not normal. Just because some of you are paid very nice > > salaries to hack on free software doesn't mean all of us are. > > I don=E2=80=99t make a dime. I find it hard to imagine it would take you > all of your time not to act like an asshole. Nobody has even > asserted professionalism should be required of professionals. > > Yet you seem extremely uncomfortable with some bare minimum standards. > > I assumed as a technical, somewhat obsessive person, you have already > Googled =E2=80=9Cmicroagressions=E2=80=9D, imagined what they would be in= the > context > of a major open source project, and what in-group and out-groups exist > in > this context, then came to some kind of conclusion that explains your > hostility. Aaron, If you could kindly refrain from making repeated character attacks and trying to imply that because I disagree with you on policy I must be some kind of knuckle-dragging bigot, that would be a really good start to having a productive discussion. Perhaps instead of talking about whether I'm "obsessive", want to "act like an asshole", etc we can pretend we've been through that tiring exercise and discuss substance. My "hostility" to codes of conduct is that I have little confidence that they would be applied evenly (in which case, the way you've spoken to me thus far would surely not be considered proper conduct as you've taken little time to drop to the level of ad hominem attacks and implications) and would instead be used as a battering ram against people who are a) neurodivergent and struggle with social norms or b) are from different cultures which are more direct in communication style. It's all well and good to talk the talk of diversity and inclusion, but it seems to me that what's actually achieved is locking out some of the most isolated and vulnerable people -- who have found a home in our community -- in order to make some of the most privileged people in society more comfortable. *That* is the source of my hostility to what I believe is for the most part a noble but misguided proposal. >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D> 1= } =3D<<