From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vs1-xe33.google.com (mail-vs1-xe33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE1EC3857425 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 18:11:55 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org BE1EC3857425 Received: by mail-vs1-xe33.google.com with SMTP id 125so8648177vsx.7 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:11:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yVt9Bet5Ht8RdJBEab3Z/9jSiecd+sfg0vLn3FUA0Zs=; b=u9cJDRsXsG+Bg3qtVcI0q8Oemu89fqJsBXG1ueG48NJyq6MvjL/4XGpWJIR5YXCMmP mjIZkw9bX5yDJ4skm3GsMIaSPXKRrGI8m8aNruO/ct/od5Dpnbfb2VPbGcwgxfVSremY 6wzvkMoQEyHj0AX4NhjtPoHJONRi8aOCdyHPQdcM5cc2sGpsQbfqb1gpWp3ZI/CKwzPT g8qI6rScptOrDM79Dnxz5ZAsReZOxzozgDY07+3Xlhl0lnKMrNCy7bg3L8Zh5zW81lw5 Dj9E9T3Do/OkqKLkMaTy0+GftZ1+cnrRhzARBgFqhMoQvXX+IfMDVxIBuxOIK5Ci2FmS BF5A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+XxRX6F6ahAWB6TblULixxuLdB91PANMvQ0du+BcUQO7MDwuG4 4LdjJCA4JatQV96SS+L0IhetG8T5CASo4zfGbos= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uj1te6gEv3RBv3W/OiOvN7lojHJBXJSUk5uWEN+UQm8TZgo5cGwwWHUQOH1zOID08y/YTYwnTc/BFZqvKl7aA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:3e29:b0:357:77e8:badc with SMTP id j41-20020a0561023e2900b0035777e8badcmr8602368vsv.20.1658081514981; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:11:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220717163100.GA1558@gnu.wildebeest.org> <20220717174101.GA4487@gnu.wildebeest.org> In-Reply-To: <20220717174101.GA4487@gnu.wildebeest.org> From: lkcl Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 19:11:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rust non-free-compatible trademark To: Mark Wielaard Cc: GCC developers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 18:11:57 -0000 On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 6:41 PM Mark Wielaard wrote: > I think you are misinterpreting when you need a trademark license for > usage a word mark in an implementation of a compiler for a programming > language. i'm aware of the difference. i mentioned this in my first reply to Richard (and covered it briefly in my reply to you as well) > Note that gcc used to come with a full implementation of the > Java programming language, compiler, runtime and core library > implementation (for which I was the GNU maintainer). None of that > required a trademark license because the usage of the word java was > just for compatibility with the java programming language. yes. i mentioned that example in my reply to you and in my separate reply to Richard: you may have missed it. that would likely be down to the difference in the Java Trademark License and the Rust Trademark License. with the wording the Rust Trademark License has attempted to create a poor-man's Certification Mark. Certification Mark Law is an advanced variant of Trademark Law covering Standards Compliance. > And since > there was no claim of being or distributing Java(tm). The same is true > for Rust(tm) and the gccrs frontend. this would be perfectly fine if the Rust Foundation had not explicitly worded the Trademark License in terms of a poor-man's Certification Mark. i gave the relevant section that you can pass over to appropriate Legal Counsel. i leave it with you as i am just a "reasonably well-informed non-lawyer messenger" here. > Also note that the Rust Foundation is aware of the work and has > already integraeted parts of gcc through another alternative > implementation (based on libgccjit). As far as we know thy have no > problem with either alternative implementation of the Rust programming > language. then that needs to be put into writing and made public. only the Trademark Holder may do that - not you. otherwise if you claim something and it turns out not to be true, you can be sued for misrepresentation. did i say Trademarks are a pig already? l.