From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vs1-xe34.google.com (mail-vs1-xe34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e34]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC9563858D28 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2022 09:07:10 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org AC9563858D28 Received: by mail-vs1-xe34.google.com with SMTP id q26so9790509vsp.11 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:07:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=TdlPLgIlz3iwM1+kULkAHzYKSAqxu3eT5rpBJRIVj30=; b=b85Ah2+crwel4Mg25M9dR+CfkQbrZ5d9VZDrZF+tdy8z7NZYu5QhQ1LyM3ocBRPit/ rUpfyrEmPqWLEoTfsKmm74NoUzG/JynmV/QB06iwPcGqgMIunSK23NDe/Aafn6ccWxtA yLZeiEHqc/UDJH8Prv1JIriLAYnvPEcz79a+9jeMLQcIW0tSFSVod5zyxbmMkdr2ur6h Rs1RLUE2GvIrISPD3WZP6LWfAE6QY8fxA/KvHdO53c6gp58HmdLT380VQor5oeySDujA 4doLVfR9VuTwSSdw+F1qWgmlfohwQ3mwOGNQreYYJUTmt6V5P4mOQ7nda/1IZNca1w/j canw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+uQv3nYPPCd4RAKG8PTpxORqRFRQC1hU3mCC8tIFifMen5hS+E hhwzzHfNJxNjgt4aPeOT73TX5gvNZpl39Hn6q0s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1u1t3D6amry5SkPYoJVZW8d9bLEkMOtHmCBRB2/PLD/rwvq9zjVzgJixGdnsiwDD8JxleGwGqHy5FseEgX9kec= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e311:0:b0:357:58a3:6878 with SMTP id j17-20020a67e311000000b0035758a36878mr9075368vsf.2.1658135229953; Mon, 18 Jul 2022 02:07:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220717163100.GA1558@gnu.wildebeest.org> <8dc44a76-4748-91f3-4abf-9e708f934da1@hesbynett.no> In-Reply-To: From: lkcl Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 10:06:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rust non-free-compatible trademark To: Jonathan Wakely Cc: David Brown , GCC developers , Mark Wielaard Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 09:07:13 -0000 On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 9:50 AM Jonathan Wakely wrote: > You haven't been ignored. People have expressed reasonable > disagreements with your interpretation. > > Just because every line of your email hasn't been explicitly responded > to with positive acknowledgement of receipt doesn't mean you've been > ignored. if i feel that i've been ignored, and it makes me upset and frustrated i have every right to say so, and whilst i know that you are trying to help you are unfortunately at risk from telling me that my feelings are invalid, which is a line that i trust you understand is completely and utterly inappropriate that you cannot cross. bottom line is that you're giving a perfectly reasonable justification for Mark's lack of empathy. [sadly this is extremely common in Technical discussions] i know exactly what Mark's doing: he's only superficially skim-reading reading (citing the Java case without even acknowledging that i'd raised it already - twice), wants to take control of the conversation and wants it shut down as quickly as possible (telling me to "go contact the Rust Foundation directly"). i'd very much like to see Mark read - and follow - this https://www.crnhq.org/cr-kit/#empathy i'm already at this: https://www.crnhq.org/cr-kit/#assertiveness l.