From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vs1-xe32.google.com (mail-vs1-xe32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e32]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4947B385AC31 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 18:29:40 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 4947B385AC31 Received: by mail-vs1-xe32.google.com with SMTP id w188so8530339vsb.6 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:29:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JNqgxySrdIGdpzBOOvIj4rlQbJqYBvtHuiAw8DkKiI8=; b=pudeKvz1+SwYFTxheV5qeHdvtU89sshxSkwX7GbJE0bHTUibHzCSHesBgcscZjMHB8 i4aF26jmZdGn0SznsFV+1BijaoCUD4/ZVCcEGjmg6Z4FkWpgBRIWJdvUuKHoZv6Ff/yI El317dr8v9wu1WdEnM0Ox83H4FZQWc4AKxkcx1JXWkHOWJWIl5/ozJZ9t6T7yj99NNDY c9auJDAq+FimeODTKWaafykscQnYBrkew0+dvrhjxMYA28Jwb2Vl22//zAad8MZnO2D5 R1rJZG1WW6veIgvMH/Jq2nMCE1zpyG2Ari4va1ehEQNE00XX/pCk4LxqP5Gv61+8jkJl lPAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9VDfs0sXwp+9y7saa3Hm5VdelnK+zddXq0V9m7j7bONrCzTPU4 cdDIFQOc2IDiBqjXFFR6rWl51OTnINMLkMz5y1CC/8kv X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1tel93+NlLVddLndUx6tiRc0EwpAHeEVOwF+mASaxz0eZuuVqkBNO+DHUhkMu1koguHcf4kp/dw57j9Miw9ZoM= X-Received: by 2002:a67:a40b:0:b0:357:c4aa:e354 with SMTP id n11-20020a67a40b000000b00357c4aae354mr1267014vse.54.1658082579663; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:29:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220717163100.GA1558@gnu.wildebeest.org> <20220717174101.GA4487@gnu.wildebeest.org> In-Reply-To: From: lkcl Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 19:29:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rust non-free-compatible trademark To: Mark Wielaard Cc: GCC developers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 18:29:41 -0000 ah. right. sorry Mark i missed something. whilst you *as developers* have been in contact with the Rust Foundation and presumably have private assurances that your use of the Trademarked word "rust" is Authorised under License (through either implication or by actual explicit approval) absolutely nobody else does. all *new* gcc developers for example who have *not* been party to those private conversations may not safely assume that they are part of any such explicit or implicit consent. and given that literally anyone in the world may pick up the gcc source code and consider themselves to become a developer (as permitted by the GPL) that's a serious concern. in addition to that, even if you as developers have indeed been explicitly or implicitly granted a Trademark License that does *not* extend to *Distributors* of gcc and i again refer you to the wording that i copied here, and to the debian bugreport. i appreciate that this is a bloody nuisance. i do however expect the Rust Foundation to get their act together and act Reasonably and Fairly to sort out the mess they've accidentally created. after all, Trademarks do have value in FOSS Projects, to protect them from harm in ways that Copyright Licenses cannot touch. it's just rather unfortunate that they're really not well-understood, not even by Lawyers! l.