From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vs1-xe34.google.com (mail-vs1-xe34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e34]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 653793858291 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:26:28 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.1 sourceware.org 653793858291 Received: by mail-vs1-xe34.google.com with SMTP id w188so12798271vsb.6 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:26:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=J+1YuczEKkG0loREP94e83zaheotOeYckMvp1q3mPEc=; b=VVAPxkJ7QkjWIGaGs6ii5eZTdnK4tOupBKQDiw70E5V5t6HnlvD9ICjhTutPTgP9Ch axtHgiNpcqdcQv6F6alqgS9qNNV4ZV6HRTsMp2Zv1x79EL7k0cLHdRSYEcWIw3cNrm0l GQ+eLZDkw2MeIxAfT3GeaSeNTeQP73EDddNuYwehQSYSDMnxTN9tP3BQ5scahXmxEUtZ bOeXcb16BTEuQuhbjtiVmwUKeOBvtzPsTSMobSJh9S3NikowpkbdGhrVSFyIn1Tem651 /9IeZwdZibzHljsHNDab8adGrqdrdgiqXsIQYKGQ2pilkyAGxPraL8OBXPUeI4r0VGRt ABNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+Y7+czpWgb/9iTcrJU/4SB8PJ+StJT48QSHNrBa3lL5peGyWnB uDixD/CWl+1tG2FFwt7vXGOOQ/KYb1VnMpZustc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1u+6VxpnQU1vdRF4rY8LRmhbMVovfon7KDbzIjGJVSKoSJFDZxDvaLVvlymWQXzkS+LEptPle7n1Rv0xzyfL88= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e311:0:b0:357:58a3:6878 with SMTP id j17-20020a67e311000000b0035758a36878mr11309969vsf.2.1658226387681; Tue, 19 Jul 2022 03:26:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wncaw9ty.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> <8F5B23E9-BC92-4BFC-A829-AF818CA2C170@gmail.com> <24083e98-bb04-f155-6e67-4f13ea116599@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <24083e98-bb04-f155-6e67-4f13ea116599@gmail.com> From: lkcl Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 11:26:13 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: rust non-free-compatible trademark To: Gabriel Ravier Cc: David Malcolm , Florian Weimer , lkcl via Gcc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2022 10:26:31 -0000 On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:41 AM David Edelsohn wrote: > > Luke, > > The GCC Community will give the issues that you raised due > consideration and resolve any problems through appropriate channels. David: although this was a private reply I am assuming that is in error, and i feel it is appropriate to make public, and wrap up this thread. thank you for being literally the first person to very kindly give an explicit indication that i've been heard. that's all that any of you had to do, and now that i feel i've been heard i am no longer deeply frustrated and angry. https://www.crnhq.org/cr-kit/#empathy Gabriel i very much appreciate your efforts to tell me that "i am the problem" (see #empathy above) and i acknowledge those efforts. let's not reduce the S/N ratio any further, eh? perhaps everyone can learn from this experience, and some point down the line appreciate that, as an outsider with no vested interest, i was the only member in this community that could safely raise that "The Rust Foundation Emperor has no Clothes" without damage to their tenure, client base, or career, in what is one of the highest-paying most strategically critical FOSS Projects in the world. in summary i look forward to seeing the public results of the consideration of conversion of the Rust Trademark to a Certification Mark and the clear benefits and natural fit with existing FOSS development practices that entails. http://archive.adaic.com/pol-hist/policy/trademrk.txt l. l.