From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o18.zoho.com (sender4-op-o18.zoho.com [136.143.188.18]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1156386FC00 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2021 00:54:45 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org B1156386FC00 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=frosku.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1618793672; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=aw47tJ4C7jB4DsPM177JAMKqh+47/0ZaeJfOsC1Rh5r3iKKCvtnQoAqkB0mj2BNOp8V/Kc+XlKVsEqQbk2571uxAOugMK9sBGhcRg+QoSM9HWerR9MpH/7bpPSWd1WbZUh+BF/uMdHTb05RIV32q+6AUkOLoimZFbo0lDQJg454= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1618793672; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=VpeSReYtjFEbMcrIy86aIOrvY/+J6ZQBUYPqpkCecS8=; b=QjT3fyQhLiA11g2rVgLdy4II5Tda9r6dc9XfvonCwoW82wpr/CkOHhtMUarkYQRobVJREXpC0f3nz7cGus1+hGI69j+1MkctV+Vu2p3PIwWeQfa62NRsYke8k8kKvD5EMoHzNu5VZpkv9NO7xm1r0NRwwBKEi1LiXeQyRtLKglw= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=frosku.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=frosku@frosku.com; dmarc=pass header.from= header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1618793672; s=zoho; d=frosku.com; i=frosku@frosku.com; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:Message-Id:To:Cc:Subject:From:References:In-Reply-To; bh=VpeSReYtjFEbMcrIy86aIOrvY/+J6ZQBUYPqpkCecS8=; b=hWPV6+omoeE69bEVQlXaGwnCGDhMSq9tUF463QOcueP4NYv9K2nYIsmnFH+wGXL6 X4K7SauARd/ZEbwLnYb0Yv7fhiq+HWBrSGVJ/glOtbqFycKSpwHoiviHlW1gDa2wTqQ cm36V6rK2VD05mO3LDKOF3J/ukrKpIRD2pVBTJW0= Received: from localhost (90.210.249.179 [90.210.249.179]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1618793669097653.7890408323774; Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 01:54:26 +0100 Message-Id: To: "Jonathan Wakely" , "Alexandre Oliva" Cc: "David Malcolm via Gcc" Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers From: "Frosku" References: <20210415134907.GA51340@thyrsus.com> <96db05d78cb1f829d0b3ce3026ac15a335fffd41.camel@redhat.com> <3e0b8d933eef3eb7f12e86bf6bc92dec6965065d.camel@silogroup.org> <40f0e05b-3156-a649-b636-c90b8b8e0f8@pfeifer.com> <4A7DE074-9600-4513-A05C-566926D447BE@tesio.it> <535f1dcf-2258-c817-cf72-5c49dc9e5823@hesbynett.no> <20210418131052.GB320802@thyrsus.com> <92c014fc39022ea03c6c801bb76ab39674e8a6fb.camel@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: X-ZohoMailClient: External X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3488.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_INVALID, DKIM_SIGNED, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_NONE, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 00:54:56 -0000 On Sun Apr 18, 2021 at 8:13 PM BST, Jonathan Wakely via Gcc wrote: > Utter nonsense, Alex. I think it's clear I don't agree with most of > your posts on this list in the past month, but it would be silly to > suggest that you should not be allowed to post here, given your track > record. Dave didn't say who he thinks should or shouldn't be > moderated, so why do you think he said that those he agrees with are > welcome to share their opinion? He said "those who have never > contributed to GCC but persist in emailing the list" so why do you > infer he only means those he disagrees with? Are you projecting maybe? I'm genuinely trying to wrap my head around this. Front and centre of the anti-RMS argument is that this is about becoming more welcoming. Is this some kind of Orwellian doublespeak? That the project should become more welcoming by casting off the neurodivergent leader who founded it and putting up more barriers to participation? Whoever heard of a free software community which bans its users from participating? Let alone one which erects this metaphorical Trumpian wall with its wrought iron, well-manned gates under the guise of being *more* welcoming? > To me a simple rule makes sense (and is what is used on another list > that I am the moderator for, with not a single complain about my > moderation in many years): every new subscriber has their "moderated" > flag set by default. When a moderator approves their post, they have > the option of clearing the "moderated" flag, if it's clear they are > going to contribute usefully. That flag can be set again if somebody > is disruptive or refuses to follow the list policies and stay on > topic. Why is it that those with the most radical ideas always seem to have the least tolerance for dissent and feel the most threatened by discussion? It's quite clear that your criteria for 'disruption' has more to do with whether or not people agree with you than whether or not they're making actual arguments or contributing in good faith. You're proposing for GCC to act even less accountable to its (non-corporate) users than corporate America does. How is this in the spirit of free software again? How many values is it worth casting down the drain to achieve this promised utopia where people never have to hear a voice they disagree with again? >>=3D %frosku =3D { os =3D> 'gnu+linux', editor =3D> 'emacs', coffee =3D> 1= } =3D<<