From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29677 invoked by alias); 19 Nov 2004 04:52:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 29609 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2004 04:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail-out4.apple.com) (17.254.13.23) by sourceware.org with SMTP; 19 Nov 2004 04:52:48 -0000 Received: from mailgate1.apple.com (a17-128-100-225.apple.com [17.128.100.225]) by mail-out4.apple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAJ4xNYD010012 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay2.apple.com (relay2.apple.com) by mailgate1.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:53:26 -0800 Received: from [17.219.197.191] ([17.219.197.191]) by relay2.apple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAJ4qiG8026946; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:52:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1B18C7B1-39E3-11D9-B2D5-000A95BCF344@apple.com> References: <442C1616-387F-11D9-9815-0030654C2998@hamburg.de> <3D92B030-39C3-11D9-8317-00039390FFE2@apple.com> <1B18C7B1-39E3-11D9-B2D5-000A95BCF344@apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gcc mailing list , Mike Stump , Helge Hess , GNUStep , Geoffrey Keating From: Ziemowit Laski Subject: Re: Is ObjC++ still in time for 4.0? Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 06:42:00 -0000 To: Matt Austern X-SW-Source: 2004-11/txt/msg00670.txt.bz2 On 18 Nov 2004, at 20.25, Matt Austern wrote: > This discussion should probably happen offline. It's in Apple's > interest for ObjC++ to get into mainline. It's also in Apple's > interest to make sure that there aren't any changes that hurt compiler > performance. It's silly for this discussion to be happening on an > international email list when most of the people participating in it > have offices on the same floor of the same building. Yes, some of this "silliness" (although it is symptomatic of things more serious) really should be confined to Apple, although I don't think it is appropriate to take the whole discussion offline altogether. Just as currently Geoff is blocking an approach that Mark and Zack OKed (at least in principle), one could certainly envision Mark, Zack or others objecting to whatever we finally manage to agree upon in Cupertino. --Zem