From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23635 invoked by alias); 3 Dec 2007 16:50:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23626 invoked by uid 22791); 3 Dec 2007 16:49:59 -0000 X-Spam-Check-By: sourceware.org Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (HELO elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.63) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.31) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:49:47 +0000 Received: from [67.38.22.223] (helo=owl.gateway.2wire.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1IzEUL-0004Y1-NV for gcc@gcc.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:49:45 -0500 Received: from kiesling by owl.gateway.2wire.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IzEUI-0002Kd-4c for gcc@gcc.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:49:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Rant about ChangeLog entries and commit messages In-Reply-To: <4aca3dc20712030748v24872dbak7773e2621020e873@mail.gmail.com> To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:50:00 -0000 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL124 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: From: Robert Kiesling X-ELNK-Trace: 0b901cbc512a9d8594f5150ab1c16ac01a238acc8405a5b0059a4a93ce468f7522d0fb5dbfc08aab350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org X-SW-Source: 2007-12/txt/msg00076.txt.bz2 [ Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, converting... ] > On 12/3/07, Richard Kenner wrote: > > > Sorry, but again, this is not a good enough justification to me. > > > We do a lot of things different than "The GNU Project". > > > So do plenty of parts of the "official GNU project". > > > They use different coding standards, bug tracking systems, version > > > control systems, checkin policies, etc, than each other. > > > > Yes, but none of those are visible other than to the development community. > > People who obtain the source distributions of projects don't get to see > > those things. They DO see things like the ChangeLog format and coding > > and documentation conventions and THOSE are the things that need to be > > common among GNU projects. > > Except they aren't, across large parts of the GNU project. > > You may find it the same in the "traditional" parts of the GNU project > (IE coreutils, emacs, etc). > It's certainly not the same across any of the newer parts of the GNU project. That's because, although the GNU project strictly - and correctly, experience has shown - monitors its code base, with the propagation of the Free Software development model, newer Free Software contributors who maintain their code on sites like sourceforge.net, are subject to commercial pressures that the older, ivory-tower authors in general are shielded from. It's impossible to convince someone who wants your "niche" for a quickie IPO that maintaining code for more than two or three years is worth the investment. -- Ctalk Home Page: http://www.ctalklang.org/