Re: removing toxic emailers

[Giacomo Tesio <giacomo@tesio.it>]

Hi Andrew and GCC,

On April 17, 2021 5:04:55 AM UTC, Andrew Pinski via Gcc
<gcc@gcc.gnu.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 9:56 PM Frosku <frosku@frosku.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat Apr 17, 2021 at 5:05 AM BST, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 4:16 PM Frosku <frosku@frosku.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When I refer to a 'California cultural standard', that's not
> > > > prescriptive. It's just a reference to the fact that a *lot* of
> > > > the SC live in California, and any culture prescribed by the
> > > > steering committee will be overly influenced by that
> > > > commonality.
> > >
> > > To the best of my knowledge, 2 of the 13 members of the GCC
> > > steering committee live in California.
> >
> > And the rest of the west coast United States / New England?
> 
> I count 5 which are not in the United States or Canada.

And how many are affiliated with (controversial) US corporations
(or their subsidiaries)?

Here are the numbers:
https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-April/235285.html


Ultimately the culture and behavious that you are trying to prescribe
here, are those of US tech workplaces.

The ones where "hiring for culture fit" was invented.


A culture that works strongly against unions, for example.
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/11/facebook-workplace-unionize/

Yes, the exact same Facebook that Nathan described here as "a joy
because of the huge step towards gender equality amongst the
engineers": https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235091.html
Inclusive to some, but eager to exclude others for political reasons,
as you see in Nathan's long request.

We are talking about culture where people do NOT start a strike when a
scientist like Timnit Gebru is fired for what she wrote in a paper and
so on. Nor when Google doubled down by firing Margaret Mitchell.

THIS is the culture you are trying to impose to global Free Software.


Is this a culture that is safe for Free Software?
To me, it's not. To Stallman, neither. Terry Davis? Nope.

As for me, I have been depicted as a "jerk" and "concern troll" here.
My contribution is unwelcome. My code is welcome, the problem is me.
Because I refuse to bow down to US workspace moralism and hypocrisy.
I'm a toxic emailer, right?

But in fact, millions of people outside the US would feel excluded.
And threatened. But we are all "jerks", right?



Such culture is also dominated by RICH men, but it's unable to see the
problem in term of global and local distribution of wealth and power
and thus interprets it as a matter of sex, gender and race.

Which is obviously totally fine for rich men, as it distract people's
attention from the root of their power and won't really fix the problem.

And it's also fine for most leaders in this activist space, because
they can focus attivists' attention and outrage against easier preys,
like Stallman.

After all, it's easier to obtain corporate support (and money) if you
problematize these issues instead of the distribution of wealth and
power that causes them. They need to fight, but cannot afford to win.



Giacomo