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From: "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com>
To: "Joseph S. Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>,
		"Ian Lance Taylor" <iant@google.com>
Cc: "Richard Henderson" <rth@redhat.com>, 	<gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: i370 port - constructing compile script
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:41:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <FF080B6CA5B0443690C090BE27C37747@Paullaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0910010012570.12400@digraph.polyomino.org.uk>

I tried again but I'm not making much progress.

Maybe I need to go further than Canada, let's say Alaska.

1. First I need to use my current build machine, Linux,
to first of all convert the i370.md into insn*.c files, then
generate an xgcc.  The xgcc would be capable of producing
i370 code so long as I use the "-S" option.  It doesn't really
matter how this xgcc was created (ie using non-C90
stuff like fork available on my build machine).

2. It is now (at the Alaskan stage) that I need a different sort
of config.h/auto-host.h that excludes things like fork.  I can
present my i370 include files here, that only include C90
functions.  It is at this stage that I need it to invoke xgcc
(still on the build machine), but it will be with the -S option,
so there will be no .o files (although I could perhaps fake
that via a scipt to keep "make" happy) and no executable
built.  The "fake" script could generate JCL at the same time.
The C90 library (for MVS) also needs to be cross-compiled
here.

3. Then I need to assemble all the assembler on real i370
(MVS).  It is at this point that a real host (ie on i370 MVS)
xgcc is built.

4. Then I can use that xgcc (on MVS) to compile arbitary
C programs.  Technically I could have had a requirement
for this i370-mvs host compiler to produce say sparc target
code.

All of the above ignores the bootstrap on MVS, which I know
is easy to add on later.

To fit into the standard Canadian Cross 3-step model, I need
to either collapse steps 2 and 3 into 1 theoretical step, executed
across 2 platforms (compile on one, assemble on another), or I
need to omit step 4, and say that I cannot target any platform
other than the host.  Which is fine by me anyway.  If combining
steps 2 and 3, we could ignore the fact that step 3 happens at
all, and assume that there is a theoretical machine that directly
executes assembler code.

I suspect that it will only take 20 lines or similar of intrusive
Makefile/shell script changes to shoe-horn my way into the
existing gcc methodology.  All I need to do is force it to use
my C90 headers at the right spot, so that it stops thinking
that I have fork etc, and stop it trying to build an executable.

Can someone tell me where to put those 20 lines?  I have been
playing around with something like this:

./configure --host=i370-mvspdp --enable-languages=c --with-local-prefix=/devel/pdos/pdpclib

but haven't been getting very far.

I have one more option, and in fact, maybe it's even a preference.

The C90-only library (PDPCLIB) I have on MVS is also on Linux,
and gives me advance warning of problems about to happen on
MVS.  As such, I could force the build machine to use this C90 library
to build the first xgcc.  Then the config file etc would be correct
for the next step.  Mostly correct, anyway.  It would probably get
the stack direction wrong instead of leaving it unknown.

What suggestions for a configure command that would come
closest to what I want?  Note that with the above host I had to
copy "ar" to "i370-mvspdp-ar" to get it to the stage of building
the xgcc.

Note - prior to this latest exercise, in order to get some initial
feedback, I had been manually constructing the auto-host
and using my manually-created compile script to compile.
But that's a pretty horrible life, when I'm pretty sure that a
judiciously-placed 20 lines of code and some nifty config
parameters for host and target will automate the thing.

Any suggestions that don't involve "forget about MVS - no-one
even knows how to spell MVS these days"?

Thanks.  Paul.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-02 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-09 22:33 i370 port Paul Edwards
2009-09-14 15:42 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-15 12:59   ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-15 13:51     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-17 13:00       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-17 17:55         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18  0:35           ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 12:06             ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18 12:23               ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 13:27                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-18 13:42                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-18 16:08                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-19 12:57                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-25 10:19                       ` Paul Edwards
2009-09-25 15:20                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-09-30 17:24                           ` i370 port - constructing compile script Paul Edwards
2009-09-30 17:36                             ` Richard Henderson
2009-09-30 21:40                               ` Paul Edwards
     [not found]                                 ` <mcrpr98x9w8.fsf@dhcp-172-17-9-151.mtv.corp.google.com>
2009-10-01  0:16                                   ` Joseph S. Myers
2009-10-01 14:00                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-02 12:41                                     ` Paul Edwards [this message]
2009-10-02 16:00                                       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-02 22:53                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-04  4:11                                           ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-04  5:14                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-04  6:04                                               ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-04  6:50                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-04 15:38                                                   ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-04 22:51                                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-05 13:15                                                       ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-06  9:32                                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-06 13:15                                                           ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-06 13:38                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-06 14:01                                                               ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-14 14:33                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-19 14:19                                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-19 17:37                                                           ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-20 14:18                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-20 15:30                                                               ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-12 14:03                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-12 20:06                                                               ` Ralf Wildenhues
2009-11-12 20:56                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-13 11:43                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-13 12:01                                                                   ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-13 12:18                                                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-13 12:57                                                                       ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-14  8:52                                                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-14 10:49                                                                           ` Ralf Wildenhues
2009-11-14 11:28                                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-22  0:51                                                                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-18 10:51                                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-19 14:27                                                                               ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-21 13:40                                                                                 ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-23 10:33                                                                                 ` i370 port - 3.4.6 to 4.4 upgrade attempt Paul Edwards
2009-11-23 10:43                                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-23 15:43                                                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-24 14:05                                                                                   ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-24 14:36                                                                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-28 15:14                                                                                     ` i370 port - music/sp - possible generic gcc problem Paul Edwards
2009-11-28 16:03                                                                                       ` Richard Guenther
2009-11-28 16:35                                                                                         ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-28 17:03                                                                                           ` Richard Guenther
2009-11-28 23:44                                                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2010-05-26 14:40                                                                                         ` i370 port - status Paul Edwards
2021-03-14  5:55                                                                                         ` negative indexes Paul Edwards
2021-03-14  8:05                                                                                           ` Richard Biener
2021-03-14  8:12                                                                                             ` Paul Edwards
2021-03-14 13:37                                                                                               ` Richard Biener
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <755065BE2A0B4B508DD3A262B2A83801@DESKTOP0OKG1VA>
2021-03-15  9:22                                                                                                   ` Richard Biener
2021-03-15 13:55                                                                                                     ` extended segments on 80386 Paul Edwards
2009-12-07 12:05                                                                                     ` i370 port - 3.4.6 to 4.4 upgrade attempt Paul Edwards
2009-12-08 13:55                                                                                       ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-15 14:22                                                                         ` i370 port - finally building Paul Edwards
2009-11-22  0:46                                                                   ` i370 port - constructing compile script Paolo Bonzini
2009-11-13 12:08                                                               ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-05 13:17                                                   ` Michael Matz
2009-10-05 13:38                                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-05 13:46                                                       ` Michael Matz
2009-10-01 14:28                             ` Paul Brook
2009-10-01 16:00                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-01 18:36                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-01 23:43                                   ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-01 21:10                                 ` David Edelsohn
2009-10-01 22:22                                   ` Toon Moene
2009-10-02  0:19                                     ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-04  5:21                       ` i370 port Paul Edwards
2009-11-04 16:47                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-11-09 14:55                           ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-09 15:57                             ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-11-09 23:10                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 14:58                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 15:36                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-11-10 15:51                               ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-10 15:56                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-12-02 22:03                                   ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-13  8:34                           ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-15 14:32                             ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-15 15:26                               ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-15 17:23                                 ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-16 11:20                                   ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-16 13:26                                     ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-18 12:15                                       ` Paul Edwards
2011-08-18 13:14                                         ` Ulrich Weigand
2011-08-18 14:18                                           ` Paul Edwards
     [not found] <OF0A51B575.29A29744-ON42257656.0067E35B-42257656.00682411@de.ibm.com>
2009-10-22  9:06 ` i370 port - constructing compile script Paul Edwards
2009-10-22 19:26   ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-22 22:04     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-23 14:36     ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-23 14:58       ` Ian Lance Taylor
2009-10-23 15:16       ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-24  0:20         ` Paul Edwards
2009-10-24  4:11           ` Ulrich Weigand
2009-10-27 12:18             ` Paul Edwards
2009-11-02 14:45 Paul Edwards

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