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From: "Dave Korn" <dk@artimi.com>
To: "'Joe Buck'" <Joe.Buck@synopsys.COM>
Cc: "'Andreas Schwab'" <schwab@suse.de>,
	"'Morten Welinder'" <terra@gnome.org>, <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: signed vs unsigned pointer warning
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:38:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <NUTMEGJg3jQNjcW2nmW00000073@NUTMEG.CAM.ARTIMI.COM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040923091118.A2943@synopsys.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Buck [mailto:Joe.Buck@synopsys.COM] 
> Sent: 23 September 2004 17:11

> On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 12:35:22PM +0100, Dave Korn wrote:
> > > "Dave Korn" writes:
> > > 
> > > > Which I don't think you can, since you can't store 
> negative numbers
> > > > in an unsigned type. 
> > > 
> > > Actually you can, due to the modulo behaviour of unsigned 
> integers.
> > > 
> > > Andreas.
> > 
> >   Well, yes, it is physically possible, but it's a kind of 
> type-punning, it
> > defies the aliasing rules, and we get into some very deeply
> > language-lawyerly issues here, but it's not a valid 
> representation IIUIC and
> > therefore invokes undefined behaviour in many circumstances.
> 
> The C aliasing rules specifically bless accessing ints as 
> unsigneds, and,
> more generally, punning accesses between any type and the 
> unsigned version
> of that type.


  Ya learn something new every day :)

  Actually, come to think of it, I stumbled across that myself just a few
weeks back, when I was trying to work round the _restrict_ bug (in a block
of code that was copying some memory to some registers) by defining one
pointer as an int and one pointer as a long (both actually being 32 bit
ints), and I had tried to use the signed/unsigned distinction to get it to
work, but it didn't until I actually used different underlying types.

  Anyway, it's all wandering a bit far enough from the original point now,
which is that a warning would be a good idea, and I'm convinced enough by
that line of argument without any reference to the finer details of buggy
ctype implementations anyway!

    cheers, 
      DaveK
-- 
Can't think of a witty .sigline today....

  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-23 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-22 16:43 Morten Welinder
2004-09-22 17:17 ` Paul Koning
2004-09-22 17:27   ` Morten Welinder
2004-09-22 17:49     ` Dave Korn
2004-09-22 17:20 ` Dave Korn
2004-09-23  1:31   ` Andreas Schwab
2004-09-23 12:29     ` Dave Korn
2004-09-23 18:57       ` Joe Buck
2004-09-23 19:38         ` Dave Korn [this message]
2004-09-27  2:04   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-10-08 13:29     ` Nick Ing-Simmons
2004-10-08 13:32       ` Dave Korn
2004-10-08 17:20       ` Joe Buck
2004-10-08 17:28         ` Paul Jarc
2004-10-08 17:59           ` Joe Buck
2004-10-08 18:15             ` Dave Korn
2004-10-08 18:22               ` Joe Buck
2004-10-08 18:24             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-10-08 19:57             ` Paul Jarc
2004-10-09  7:05               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-10-09  8:48                 ` Paul Jarc
2004-10-11 16:34                   ` Richard Earnshaw
2004-10-08 18:57         ` Morten Welinder
2004-10-08 20:59           ` Matthias B.
2004-10-08 22:34             ` Paul Koning
2004-10-10  2:03               ` Matthias B.
2004-10-09  1:39             ` Andreas Schwab
2004-10-11  0:11           ` Kai Henningsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-21 20:52 Richard Henderson
2004-09-21 22:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-09-22 14:35   ` Dave Korn

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