gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[gccadmin]

gcc-ss-20011119 is now available on 
ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/2001-11-19

(and on various mirrors, see the gcc home page for mirror sites).

You'll find:

  gcc-20011119.tar.gz                  The full gcc snapshot, including all
                                        languages runtime libraries.

  gcc-core-20011119.tar.gz             Just the C front end and core compiler.

  gcc-tests-20011119.tar.gz            The GCC testsuite.

  gcc-g++-20011119.tar.gz              The g++ language and runtime.

  gcc-g++-tests-20011119.tar.gz	       The testsuite for G++.

  gcc-g77-20011119.tar.gz              The g77 language and runtime.
   
  gcc-g77-testsuite-20011119.tar.gz    The testsuite for G77.

  gcc-objc-20011119.tar.gz             The Objective-C front end and runtime.

  gcc-java-20011119.tar.gz             The Java front end.

  gcc-chill-20011119.tar.gz            The Chill front end and runtime.

If you are using an x86 GNU/Linux system that uses RPMs to handle
installation, you may find the daily RPM snapshots at:

http://www.codesourcery.com/gcc-snapshots.html

easier to install.


Diffs from 20011112 are available.

Note at times you may find newer directories on the server with limited
permissions.  These represent snapshots that have not yet been verified
as correct, or are known to be incorrect.

When a particular snapshot is ready for public consumption the directory
permissions are relaxed, the LATEST-IS- file is updated and a message is
sent to the gcc list.

Using a snapshot before it's officially made available is an unwise thing
to do since it may become impossible to update to an official snapshot.

The "gcc_latest_snapshot" tag has been moved.  You can use
cvs update -rgcc_latest_snapshot to update your CVS tree to the latest
official snapshot.

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Andrea 'Fyre Wyzard' Bocci]

>gcc-ss-20011119 is now available on
>ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/2001-11-19

...

>If you are using an x86 GNU/Linux system that uses RPMs to handle
>installation, you may find the daily RPM snapshots at:
>
>http://www.codesourcery.com/gcc-snapshots.html
>
>easier to install.

Maybe it's me , but there I could only find the daily snaphots for 
sparc-sun-solaris2.8.
What about the weekly ones for x86 GNU/Linux ?

fwyzard

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[David O'Brien]

On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:46:25AM -0000, gccadmin@sourceware.cygnus.com wrote:
> gcc-ss-20011119 is now available on 
> ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/2001-11-19

Would it be possible to add the branch name to this?
It is hard for me maintaining the FreeBSD ports to know which is being
fetched and when the snapshots change from branch to mainline, etc.

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Joseph S. Myers]

On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, David O'Brien wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 20, 2001 at 01:46:25AM -0000, gccadmin@sourceware.cygnus.com wrote:
> > gcc-ss-20011119 is now available on 
> > ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/2001-11-19
> 
> Would it be possible to add the branch name to this?
> It is hard for me maintaining the FreeBSD ports to know which is being
> fetched and when the snapshots change from branch to mainline, etc.

Snapshots move from branch to mainline when someone approves the patch to
gcc_release to do so - I think they should in general move just after a
new major release (3.0, 3.1, ...) is made though it took a lot longer this
time.

If you want this message to give more information (and to have an
up-to-date list of files, which it doesn't at present), send a patch.
Unfortunately the file with this message in isn't in CVS.

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
jsm28@cam.ac.uk

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
>> Would it be possible to add the branch name to this?
>> It is hard for me maintaining the FreeBSD ports to know which is being
>> fetched and when the snapshots change from branch to mainline, etc.

Good point.

> If you want this message to give more information (and to have an
> up-to-date list of files, which it doesn't at present), send a patch.

I took care of this by means of the following patch. That's not perfect
and it doesn't solve all problems nor put this into CVS, but it addresses
David's problem.

Gerald


--- README.old  Wed Nov 21 04:41:23 2001
+++ README      Wed Nov 21 04:44:20 2001
@@ -1,12 +1,14 @@
 gcc-ss-20011119 is now available on
-ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/2001-11-19
+  ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/2001-11-19
+and on various mirrors, see http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html for details.

-(and on various mirrors, see the gcc home page for mirror sites).
+This snapshot has been generated from the current development mainline
+which is going to become GCC 3.1.

 You'll find:

   gcc-20011119.tar.gz                  The full gcc snapshot, including all
-                                        languages runtime libraries.
+                                       languages runtime libraries.

   gcc-core-20011119.tar.gz             Just the C front end and core compiler.

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Andrea 'Fyre Wyzard' Bocci]

OK, I found them on the ftp site at

ftp://ftp.codesourcery.com/pub/gcc-binaries/i686-pc-linux-gnu/

But I think there is no link to it :-)
I guess I should send a note to codesourcey web site :-)

fwyzard

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[David O'Brien]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 08:02:49PM +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> 
> Some day, the ports system should be able to fetch sources via CVS instead
> of ftp/http, so that for minor updates, also only the cvs diff flows over
> the pipe. But this is more a dream than anything else... ;-)

It actually can.  But (1) there is the problem of "what is the state of
the CVS tree" when fetched by J. Random User.  With snapshots that is not
an issue.  And (2) as one of the Vim MASTERSITES, you would be surprised
how many people build a FreeBSD port -- CVS is not a light weight service
-- I really doubt people would appreciate me increasing the load on the
anoncvs server by the amount I suspect doing this would.

-- 
-- David  (obrien@FreeBSD.org)

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[David O'Brien]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 01:46:50PM +0100, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:
> I took care of this by means of the following patch. That's not perfect
> and it doesn't solve all problems nor put this into CVS, but it addresses
> David's problem.

Kinda. :-)
 
> -(and on various mirrors, see the gcc home page for mirror sites).
> +This snapshot has been generated from the current development mainline
> +which is going to become GCC 3.1.

It seemed to take forever after 3.0.0 before snapshots went back to
mainline, and this certainly helps as before I'd download the large
tarball just to find it was the wrong branch than I wanted.  

But aren't there sufficient resources now that both the mainline and
latest release branch could have periodic snapshots?

>    gcc-20011119.tar.gz                  The full gcc snapshot, including all

If possible: gcc-<branch>-<date>.tar.gz
would be even better.

>    gcc-core-20011119.tar.gz             Just the C front end and core

and: gcc-core-<branch>-<date>.tar.gz

I would like to get 3.0.3-inprogress in more people's hands thru the
FreeBSD ports system, and right now there aren't any usable tarballs to
do this with.

-- 
-- David  (obrien@FreeBSD.org)

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[David O'Brien]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 07:31:06PM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
> 
> The script would need to be made able to take its state (dates of previous
> two snapshots) from some directory other than ~.

Do that many people acutaly use the diff files vs. just downloading the
complete tar balls?
 
> > I would like to get 3.0.3-inprogress in more people's hands thru the
> > FreeBSD ports system, and right now there aren't any usable tarballs to
> > do this with.
> 
> It's expected that serious development use (including people distributing
> any form of packaged version) is from CVS, not snapshots.  

Yes, but this for distributing a packaged version (which includes
FreeBSD-specific patches that would never be accepted in to the FSF tree).

> You can always
> tag and build and distribute your own tarballs using the gcc_release
> script.

That is more effort than I am willing to put into this with all the other
open source things I do.  Especially when the frame work for making GCC
snapshots is alreadly [mostly] in place.

-- 
-- David  (obrien@FreeBSD.org)

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Joseph S. Myers]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, David O'Brien wrote:

> But aren't there sufficient resources now that both the mainline and
> latest release branch could have periodic snapshots?

Space on the ftp disk is limited at present, I think.  Since the snapshots
are using the gcc_release script the space required for them has already
doubled since there are now .bz2 files (I originally made them optional in
the script, then Mark simplified it by removing the option and always
creating them).

The script would need to be made able to take its state (dates of previous
two snapshots) from some directory other than ~.

When making the changes (maybe for starting with the 3.1 release cycle if
there's a new sourceware machine by then with more disk space), try to
ensure that the first release-branch snapshot of a release cycle will
properly have its diffs generated from the previous mainline snapshot (it
can have them from the old branch snapshot as well if you want, though
diffs from one release branch to the next don't make much sense - the
script supports generating diffs from multiple previous versions - but it
should definitely have them from the mainline version just before it
branched).

> I would like to get 3.0.3-inprogress in more people's hands thru the
> FreeBSD ports system, and right now there aren't any usable tarballs to
> do this with.

It's expected that serious development use (including people distributing
any form of packaged version) is from CVS, not snapshots.  You can always
tag and build and distribute your own tarballs using the gcc_release
script.

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
jsm28@cam.ac.uk

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Phil Edwards]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 10:48:53AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
> But aren't there sufficient resources now that both the mainline and
> latest release branch could have periodic snapshots?

Not really... the FTP partition is usually crammed full, unfortunately.

-- 
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater
than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace.  We seek
not your counsel, nor your arms.  Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you;
and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.            - Samuel Adams

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Phil Edwards]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:43:33AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 07:31:06PM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
> > You can always
> > tag and build and distribute your own tarballs using the gcc_release
> > script.
> 
> That is more effort than I am willing to put into this with all the other
> open source things I do.  Especially when the frame work for making GCC
> snapshots is alreadly [mostly] in place.

That sounds contradictory.  The framework for making GCC snapshots is
already mostly in place... so why can't you use it?  What do you need done
that gcc_release doesn't do?

For one, the "snapshot mode" seems to assume it's running locally, so
that's a problem that needs fixing.  And it shouldn't send out mail to
the list automatically.  :-)  What else?


Phil

-- 
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater
than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace.  We seek
not your counsel, nor your arms.  Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you;
and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.            - Samuel Adams

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[David O'Brien]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 04:37:11PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:43:33AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 07:31:06PM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
> > > You can always
> > > tag and build and distribute your own tarballs using the gcc_release
> > > script.
> > 
> > That is more effort than I am willing to put into this with all the other
> > open source things I do.  Especially when the frame work for making GCC
> > snapshots is alreadly [mostly] in place.
> 
> That sounds contradictory.  The framework for making GCC snapshots is
> already mostly in place... so why can't you use it?  

So is the framework to build a FreeBSD release.  But 99% of the people
prefer snapshots over being told to roll their own.

I am a FreeBSD developer 1st, and a GCC developer 2nd.  So that is how my
time is split.  We've seen in the FreeBSD community a great use in
providing daily snapshots of our release branch (at releng4.freebsd.org)
and mainline (current.freebsd.org).  If you want to get your bits in more
people's hands easier, snapshots are the way to go.

BTW, both of these snapshot machines are co-located at large FreeBSD
user's site; and the use of the machines were given for what ever purpose
we saw fit.

Aren't there contact with-in the GCC community that provides the same?

> What do you need done that gcc_release doesn't do?

I have to configure the cron job, ensure suffient disk space, check the
build logs, ftp the tarballs to some larger site other than my DSL line,
etc...  I have found that when already doing this for one branch
(FreeBSD) it isn't that much additional work give care and feeding to a
2nd branch.  BUT to start doing that initial work does take a much larger
care and feeding.

It was just a suggestion that would make life easier for your users.

-- 
-- David  (obrien@FreeBSD.org)

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Gerald Pfeifer]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, David O'Brien wrote:
> But aren't there sufficient resources now that both the mainline and
> latest release branch could have periodic snapshots?

That should be feasible, however, it'd take a volunteer to set all that
up.

> I would like to get 3.0.3-inprogress in more people's hands thru the
> FreeBSD ports system, and right now there aren't any usable tarballs to
> do this with.

Some day, the ports system should be able to fetch sources via CVS instead
of ftp/http, so that for minor updates, also only the cvs diff flows over
the pipe. But this is more a dream than anything else... ;-)

Gerald
-- 
Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Joseph S. Myers]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Phil Edwards wrote:

> For one, the "snapshot mode" seems to assume it's running locally, so
> that's a problem that needs fixing.  And it shouldn't send out mail to
> the list automatically.  :-)  What else?

No, snapshot mode does not assume local running - but local + snapshot
causes certain special handling to find the previous snapshot, mail the
list, ....  Snapshot mode by itself simply means that the tree isn't built
to add generated files to the sources.

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
jsm28@cam.ac.uk

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Joseph S. Myers]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, David O'Brien wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 07:31:06PM +0000, Joseph S. Myers wrote:
> > 
> > The script would need to be made able to take its state (dates of previous
> > two snapshots) from some directory other than ~.
> 
> Do that many people acutaly use the diff files vs. just downloading the
> complete tar balls?

Do that many people actually download the complete tarballs more than once
every few months, vs. just downloading the diffs?

-- 
Joseph S. Myers
jsm28@cam.ac.uk

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Tim Prince]

----- Original Message -----
From: "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>
To: "Joseph S. Myers" <jsm28@cam.ac.uk>
Cc: "Gerald Pfeifer" <pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at>; <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available


I've been using the diff files 4 weeks straight.  My alternative would be to
use my employer's ftp gateway machine in another state, if their network
were in shape to take extra work of this type, and can only do so when I'm
at my home office.  I've been dialed in through 2 different local phone
companies in Ohio the last week, neither of which has V.90 service.  I doubt
that many people who are testing gcc on personal time have broadband access,
at least not in the Americas.  With the current economic situation,
broadband access will not become widespread for years.  The diffs are much
appreciated.

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[David O'Brien]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 03:54:55PM -0800, Tim Prince wrote:
>
> I doubt
> that many people who are testing gcc on personal time have broadband access,
> at least not in the Americas.  With the current economic situation,
> broadband access will not become widespread for years.  The diffs are much
> appreciated.

I personally totally 100% disagree with you about broadband access in
USA/Canada.  I don't know of any of my FreeBSD using friends that still
use a dial-up modem.

-- 
-- David  (obrien@FreeBSD.org)

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[law]

  > I personally totally 100% disagree with you about broadband access in
  > USA/Canada.  I don't know of any of my FreeBSD using friends that still
  > use a dial-up modem.
FWIW, broadband was not available for my area until late this summer, and
still isn't available to a large part of the folks in and around SLC
(particularly with Sprint Broadband not accepting new customers).

The net result was I was on a dial-up until late August.  At my previous
home in the SLC valley I was "fortunate" enough to be on a 56k frame
(again, no dsl, no cablemodems, no isdn).

There are still large parts of the US that do not have broadband
access for one reason or another.

jeff

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Per Bothner]

law@redhat.com wrote:

>There are still large parts of the US that do not have broadband
>access for one reason or another.
>
Most of the continental USA can get broadband over satellite.
It's a little more expensive ($70/month, I believe), but still
affordable.  Check out DirectPC or Starband.

    --Per

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Tim Prince]

DirecPC tells us for your $215 entrance fee and whatever per month you get
download only. You require a dedicated dial-up for your uplink.  The
installer came to our place and couldn't get a signal from the satellite.
This is not to say that your won't get a different story from each DirecPC
salesperson.  We're on the waiting list for a more competent installer, as
well as being on the waiting lists in case the DSL or cable providers begin
adding customers.  They've got plenty of time before they can expect any
competition from each other, and none is in a rush to provide service.  So,
please assume that we in the USA will continue to use V.34 dial-up, or V.90
when we're in the selected locations, for the foreseeable future.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Per Bothner" <per@bothner.com>
To: <law@redhat.com>
Cc: <obrien@FreeBSD.org>; "Tim Prince" <tprince@computer.org>; "Joseph S.
Myers" <jsm28@cam.ac.uk>; "Gerald Pfeifer" <pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at>;
<gcc@gcc.gnu.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available


> law@redhat.com wrote:
>
> >There are still large parts of the US that do not have broadband
> >access for one reason or another.
> >
> Most of the continental USA can get broadband over satellite.
> It's a little more expensive ($70/month, I believe), but still
> affordable.  Check out DirectPC or Starband.
>
>     --Per
>
>
>

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Per Bothner]

Tim Prince wrote:

>DirecPC tells us for your $215 entrance fee and whatever per month you get
>download only. You require a dedicated dial-up for your uplink.
>
DirectPC does offer the one-way system (downlaod only; phone line used for
upload); but they now also offer a two-way always-on satellite-only option.

Starband (associated with Dish Network) offers no-phone-line two-way
always-on satellite (only).

Both charge $70/month, plus of course one-time equipment and installation.
In both cases you can use the same dish for satellite tv.

>We're on the waiting list for a more competent installer, as
>well as being on the waiting lists in case the DSL or cable providers begin
>adding customers.  They've got plenty of time before they can expect any
>competition from each other,
>
And competion may be reduced shortly:  DirectTV and Dish network are seeking
regulatory approval for a merger.

    --Per Bothner

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Aldy Hernandez]

>>>>> "David" == David O'Brien <obrien@FreeBSD.org> writes:

 > On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 03:54:55PM -0800, Tim Prince wrote:
 >> 
 >> I doubt
 >> that many people who are testing gcc on personal time have broadband access,
 >> at least not in the Americas.  With the current economic situation,
 >> broadband access will not become widespread for years.  The diffs are much
 >> appreciated.

 > I personally totally 100% disagree with you about broadband access in
 > USA/Canada.  I don't know of any of my FreeBSD using friends that still
 > use a dial-up modem.

Not that it matters, but I rarely have access to a decent connection--
you know, backpacking around the world and all.  My connection is as
sucky as they come.  I'm lucky to get 56k in some cities/countries.

Aldy
Professional Gypsy
Red Hat, Inc.

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[Aldy Hernandez]

>>>>> "dewar" == dewar  <dewar@gnat.com> writes:

 > That sounds like the old system. I thought DirectTV was providing a two
 > way system. Most certainly DISH does provide a two way system (Starband),
 > with no separate tel line needed).

The 2 way system is only available in certain places.  I know when I
was permanent in Puerto Rico it was only available one way.-- and you
have to buy 3rd party drivers for Linux.

 > Sure, there will be some people without broadband access, but they will
 > become a smaller minority among the developers as time goes on.

Hmmm...

Re: gcc-ss-20011119 is now available

[dewar]

<<DirecPC tells us for your $215 entrance fee and whatever per month you get
download only. You require a dedicated dial-up for your uplink.  The
installer came to our place and couldn't get a signal from the satellite.
This is not to say that your won't get a different story from each DirecPC
salesperson.  We're on the waiting list for a more competent installer, as
well as being on the waiting lists in case the DSL or cable providers begin
adding customers.  They've got plenty of time before they can expect any
competition from each other, and none is in a rush to provide service.  So,
please assume that we in the USA will continue to use V.34 dial-up, or V.90
when we're in the selected locations, for the foreseeable future.
>>

That sounds like the old system. I thought DirectTV was providing a two
way system. Most certainly DISH does provide a two way system (Starband),
with no separate tel line needed).

Sure, there will be some people without broadband access, but they will
become a smaller minority among the developers as time goes on.