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From: Michael Matz <matz@suse.de>
To: Daniel Berlin <dberlin@dberlin.org>
Cc: Nathan Sidwell <nathan@codesourcery.com>,
	Ziemowit Laski <zlaski@apple.com>,
	Steve Naroff <snaroff@apple.com>,
	gcc mailing list <gcc@gcc.gnu.org>,
	Matt Austern <austern@apple.com>,
	Joe Buck <Joe.Buck@synopsys.com>,
	Andrew Pinski <pinskia@physics.uc.edu>,
	Mike Stump <mrs@apple.com>
Subject: Re: generalized lvalues -- patch outline
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:02:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411231541340.29201@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411230833250.16150@dberlin.org>

Hi,

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Daniel Berlin wrote:

> > FWIW, this extension is used in at least (determined from just looking at
> > the compiler errors):
> > wine, elfutils, rpm, freeglut, dietlibc, openswan, xv, xine and 50 other
> > packages.
> 
> When you say used the extension, do you mean *intentionally* (IE it's in code
> that is part of the package), or is the extension part of code they
> include/link with from other packages (ie glibc, etc)

Those of them at which I looked, use it intentionally (mislead perhaps,
but intentionally).  Sometimes it's in specialised code, like for instance
image manipulation (i.e. sweeping over an array), sometimes it's in
package generic code (for instance I saw list iterator macros, which use a
generic variable, but which are type indepependend, to implement generics
in C).  I didn't see it used in something like system-wide headers
(although IIRC some Sun xdr headers once contained such code, but I think
that got fixed meanwhile).

In wine for instance it's in generated code (proxy and stub functions for 
implementing the COM interfaces, i.e. all kinds of marshalling).  The use 
here usually is of the increment form (one pointer walking an array, 
incremented by different amounts depending on the type).

Sure, this all could be fixed by changing all of the 50+ packages.  Or by 
implementing a very constrained form of the extension in GCC.

The only C++ packages in which I see this is alsamixergui, chasen, 
knights, libebml and licq, so I personally would be thankful already for 
having such extension only in C.

Practically speaking 4.0 is currently strictly less usefull in some 
aspects for the average C programmer.


Ciao,
Michael.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-23 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-18  3:50 generalized lvalues Matt Austern
2004-11-18  3:52 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:01 ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:18   ` Daniel Berlin
2004-11-18  4:21   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18  4:27     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18  7:15       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-18  7:37         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18 13:17           ` Giovanni Bajo
2004-11-18 17:57           ` Joe Buck
2004-11-18 18:28         ` Mike Stump
2004-11-18 18:44           ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  1:39             ` Mike Stump
2004-11-19  4:52               ` Matt Austern
2004-11-19 22:24                 ` Michael Matz
2004-11-19 22:30                   ` Robert McNulty Junior
2004-11-20  1:00                   ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-20  1:20                     ` Joe Buck
2004-11-20  1:51                       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-20  5:04                         ` Joe Buck
2004-11-20  5:17                           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 20:54                             ` generalized lvalues -- patch outline Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 21:01                               ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-22 21:11                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-22 21:39                                 ` Matt Austern
2004-11-22 22:11                                   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-22 22:12                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23  0:06                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:04                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:27                                     ` Mike Stump
2004-11-24 20:40                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2004-11-23  0:11                                   ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:19                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23  1:26                                       ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:32                                         ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  1:42                                           ` Mark Mitchell
2004-11-23  1:45                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23  1:55                                             ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  1:56                                               ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23  2:12                                                 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-23  2:10                                               ` Marcus G. Daniels
2004-11-23  9:43                                       ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 18:27                                       ` Aaron W. LaFramboise
2004-11-22 21:23                               ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-22 22:33                                 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-23  0:09                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  9:54                                   ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 13:35                                     ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 14:56                                       ` Daniel Berlin
2004-11-23 15:02                                         ` Michael Matz [this message]
2004-11-23 15:15                                           ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-23 15:47                                             ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 15:56                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 15:50                                             ` Steve Naroff
2004-11-23 15:51                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 16:50                                             ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 17:01                                               ` Paul Koning
2004-11-23 17:16                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-23 18:03                                                 ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 18:30                                                   ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 18:57                                                     ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 21:21                                                   ` Paul Koning
2004-11-23 21:52                                                     ` Thomas Kunert
2004-11-23 15:51                                           ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 16:12                                             ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 16:31                                               ` Richard Guenther
2004-11-23 16:44                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-23 20:16                                               ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 15:01                                       ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23 15:09                                         ` Michael Matz
2004-11-23 19:11                                         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23 21:10                                           ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 21:34                                     ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-23 22:09                                       ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-23 22:23                                         ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-23 22:27                                           ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-24  0:05                                             ` Eric Botcazou
2004-11-24  0:07                                               ` Steven Bosscher
2004-11-24  0:32                                               ` Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-25  8:41                                                 ` Ian Lance Taylor
2004-11-25 20:41                                                   ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-25 21:54                                                     ` Matt Austern
2004-11-25 23:27                                                       ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-29 18:06                                                       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-29 18:57                                                         ` Matt Austern
2004-11-23 23:27                                         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23 22:24                                       ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-23  0:07                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-24 20:43                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2004-11-24 23:09                                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-24 23:17                                       ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-22 21:31                               ` Richard Henderson
2004-11-23  0:11                                 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2004-11-23  0:03                               ` Jonathan Lennox
2004-11-20  1:40                     ` generalized lvalues Joseph S. Myers
2004-11-18 19:11           ` Alex Rosenberg
2004-11-18  4:24   ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18  5:33 ` Dale Johannesen
2004-11-18 17:14 ` Fariborz Jahanian
2004-11-18 18:23   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  0:20     ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  0:40       ` Steven Bosscher
2004-11-19  1:20       ` Joe Buck
2004-11-19  2:00         ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:36 ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:37   ` Matt Austern
2004-11-18 23:49     ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19  1:38       ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  2:52         ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19  3:56           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-19  4:22             ` Zack Weinberg
2004-11-19 13:10         ` Nathan Sidwell
2004-11-19 21:58           ` Ziemowit Laski
2004-11-18 23:44   ` Andrew Pinski
2004-11-18 23:45   ` Joe Buck
2004-11-25  4:42 ` Aaron W. LaFramboise

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