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From: "Joseph S. Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>
To: Paul Koning <pkoning@equallogic.com>
Cc: kth@srv.net, gcc@gcc.gnu.org
Subject: Re: Sine and Cosine Accuracy
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:26:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0505261829510.961@digraph.polyomino.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17046.1785.741648.711386@gargle.gargle.HOWL>

On Thu, 26 May 2005, Paul Koning wrote:

> >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> writes:
> 
>  Kevin> But, you are using a number in the range of 2^90, only have 64
>  Kevin> bits for storing the floating point representation, and some
>  Kevin> of that is needed for the exponent.
> 
> Fair enough, so with 64 bit floats you have no right to expect an
> accurate answer for sin(2^90).  However, you DO have a right to expect
> an answer in the range [-1,+1] rather than the 1.2e+27 that Richard
> quoted.  I see no words in the description of
> -funsafe-math-optimizations to lead me to expect such a result.

When I discussed this question with Nick Maclaren a while back after a UK 
C Panel meeting, his view was that for most applications (a) the output 
should be close (within 1 or a few ulp) to the sine/cosine of a value 
close (within 1 or a few ulp) to the floating-point input and (b) sin^2 + 
cos^2 (of any input value) should equal 1 with high precision, but most 
applications (using floating-point values as approximations of 
unrepresentable real numbers) wouldn't care about the answer being close 
to the sine or cosine of the exact real number represented by the 
floating-point value when 1ulp is on the order of 2pi or bigger.  This 
does of course disallow 1.2e+27 as a safe answer for sin or cos to give 
for any input.  (And a few applications may care for stronger degrees of 
accuracy.)

-- 
Joseph S. Myers               http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jsm28/gcc/
    jsm@polyomino.org.uk (personal mail)
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  reply	other threads:[~2005-05-26 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-26 16:05 Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 16:09 ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-26 16:33   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 17:14     ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-26 17:01   ` Paolo Carlini
2005-05-26 17:23 ` Richard Henderson
2005-05-26 17:24   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 17:27     ` Paul Koning
2005-05-26 17:27       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 17:29         ` Dave Korn
2005-05-26 17:37           ` David Daney
2005-05-26 17:56             ` Dave Korn
2005-05-26 17:40           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 18:12             ` Paul Koning
2005-05-26 18:32               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 18:50                 ` Paul Koning
2005-05-26 19:14                   ` Andrew Pinski
2005-05-26 19:35                     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-29  6:22                   ` Geoffrey Keating
2005-05-31 14:34                     ` Paul Koning
2005-05-31 22:58                       ` Geoff Keating
2005-05-29 12:07                 ` Roger Sayle
2005-05-30 15:34                   ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-29  2:22         ` Kai Henningsen
2005-05-29 18:16         ` Marc Espie
2005-05-29 20:58           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-05-30 15:19             ` Marc Espie
2005-05-30 17:26               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-30 17:18                 ` Marc Espie
2005-05-30 18:11                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-30 17:31               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-31  3:10                 ` chris jefferson
2005-05-31 12:17                   ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-31 12:46                   ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-31 13:02                     ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-31 13:34                 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-30 15:19             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-30 15:35             ` Bernhard R. Link
2005-05-30 18:59               ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-30 19:16               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-05-30 19:17                 ` Bernhard R. Link
2005-05-30 19:54                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-05-30 20:04                     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-26 17:35       ` Kevin Handy
2005-05-26 17:41         ` Paul Koning
2005-05-26 20:26           ` Joseph S. Myers [this message]
2005-05-26 21:15     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-26 21:17       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 23:25         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-27  0:18           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-27  0:54             ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-27 11:29           ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-27  9:36         ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-27 10:48       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-26 21:33     ` Richard Henderson
2005-05-27  0:05       ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-27  0:43         ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-27  0:54           ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-28 11:26             ` Russ Allbery
2005-05-27 13:56     ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-29  3:36   ` Kai Henningsen
2005-05-26 17:53 Morten Welinder
2005-05-26 18:10 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 18:22   ` Dave Korn
2005-05-26 18:49     ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-26 19:28       ` Dave Korn
2005-05-26 18:38 Morten Welinder
2005-05-26 20:58 ` Andrew Haley
2005-05-26 23:31 Uros Bizjak
2005-05-26 23:52 ` Paul Koning
2005-05-26 23:56 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2005-05-26 23:57   ` Steven Bosscher
2005-05-27 15:09   ` Olivier Galibert
2005-05-27 15:28     ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-27 18:27     ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-05-26 23:59 Menezes, Evandro
2005-05-27 15:19 ` Vincent Lefevre
2005-05-27  0:39 Menezes, Evandro
2005-05-27  0:54 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-27  0:54 Menezes, Evandro
2005-05-27  0:54 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-27 12:42 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-28  4:32 Menezes, Evandro
2005-05-28  5:02 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2005-05-28 10:44 ` Gary Funck
2005-05-28  6:42 Menezes, Evandro

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