From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5873 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2001 01:16:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Received: (qmail 5517 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2001 01:14:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fencepost.gnu.org) (199.232.76.164) by sources.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2001 01:14:45 -0000 Received: from dns.eng.auburn.edu ([131.204.10.13] helo=Eng.Auburn.EDU) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 16EKSS-00052g-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:14:44 -0500 Received: from caspian.eng.auburn.edu (IDENT:8411@caspian.eng.auburn.edu [131.204.12.27]) by Eng.Auburn.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01923; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:15:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (langfml@localhost) by caspian.eng.auburn.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA20046; Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:14:42 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: caspian.eng.auburn.edu: langfml owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:23:00 -0000 From: Matthew Langford To: Phil Edwards cc: Gerald Pfeifer , gcc@gnu.org Subject: Re: http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html In-Reply-To: <20011212190100.A10665@disaster.jaj.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-SW-Source: 2001-12/txt/msg00681.txt.bz2 On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Phil Edwards wrote: > Matthew Langford wrote: > > You _know_ they are mirroring, and they are mirroring a > > gzipped release of your software. Why not mention _them_ on your > > downloads page? > > Maybe they don't want the entire world downloading from them. > > People choose to mirror software for reasons /other/ than making it > available to everyone else out there. I used to mirror a subset of the > Linux kernel patches repository, but it was for me and my colleagues > in the same building, not for the rest of the planet. Listing me as a > "mirror site" would have been harmful, not helpful. "They" was a reference to public sites mirroring GNU. They are already listed on the GNU mirror web page. This is a superset of GCC. If they are willing to be listed to the world as carrying the entire GNU software universe (which includes the GCC stuff), they are already mirroring the main part, the Download, of your distribution. It would be helpful to visitors to mention there are alternatives to the very few listed on your web page. Or perhaps you like everyone in the US and Canada tagging the network connections of the poor saps who walked to your ivory tower and volunteered their mirrors? The link to the actual gcc.org download is spelled out but not an active link. I suppose this is to strongly encourage people to use the mirrors. But then, you don't have many mirrors listed: one for the North American continent, two for South America, and one for Australia, from what I saw. Oh well, yank it from another continent. > > You are making people come to you, like it's a special privilege to mirror > > GCC, > > In a way it is: known mirror sites are allowed to bypass some (all?) of > the connection limits on the FTP server. Maybe you are looking at things completely backward. Instead of guarding the software, and worrying about who is coming in to steal the software and rob your bandwidth, you could think of it as _distributing_ your releases, and how to _put_ it on as many servers as possible. In that direction, making use of the existing GNU mirroring system (both by web-mention and by update-seeding) would be most helpful, I think. From the first viewpoint you seem to be doing nicely; the second one, you are adequate only for yourselves, through CVS, and Europe and Japan. -- MattLangford