From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x730.google.com (mail-qk1-x730.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::730]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09ECC3989CB0 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:19:25 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org 09ECC3989CB0 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=acm.org Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=nathanmsidwell@gmail.com Received: by mail-qk1-x730.google.com with SMTP id f19so4713919qka.8 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:19:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=J+bPA/ZfblVBPqVcJ54TZtv992bWn9PxNDyTFKoQ4es=; b=E2KWyTF4E3DTW53iz2V2wrW1WsdkAAi5hIJw2vxCAoNdT5GjxgQD/bRSh32QSSLRKJ 8R18Izmzc9VHyfuFFd6S0jeS92CMpJWZm0IBFeYn6M2+hCYjFvXUxMuSwbLKkk5GitY6 mgmdMEmh4ihOr9hP5epEr0OUTkQ3Qjw6gJOwowM+IIZl/o12qOiz/nd8cjqDG/aWkumk JFRpvfM6wEv1430FngEac4L/aBdOFgaptPB17YrEhxi13aT69+jUGVQRNKhufAC6OvzQ EhNee8hEdi7E9qE3rq0QsVKLWC62HSuAzNwRu8RJPmFNgopDsGRWbwNhtwf2fMG7R75R Prpw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=J+bPA/ZfblVBPqVcJ54TZtv992bWn9PxNDyTFKoQ4es=; b=FIdBm7xkSyow7TrJwUlT6ng30vcYnC/Ih2vKrCacgNKaVLS4Ih2DxfJlY6whO3pkdf 6XnojKLxVsOf49PDgebv7F/ojh+rvO8QuoZ1b5P0tzSBLdcm2MCQNsc2bUrYwLnuU4Y/ 2X3LXdRfitFGivYQAUYQidUs4uBHdLBdPeWSQWFmsJPPelRQdT+sloTw2VmR7p4/Oeuj oFNDFpf968e8wXTnOI+dUPA9Rpwb22NP6ub4OwtEKAR7YTapAw080ZTxKl9QIbNn/Bct 1X/m+nGv3Fg28XambLBBK7DIL3RgzzkfS7Ox012iOVKkpR+kNTzP5Wq9KAhKjmpZ8cQp VUOQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533hmdDBBcrooMY7UBBDH+7GRxuXOZ0Ra1GoepIyXOmpS8hBsIC1 ud1H9XzOw4zzZwtq9hjoFI0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxEwryDZZPEpARXgXIPaf9I8VbbbVe29VZv7VzbXWKcQRgwzAu9LbceA7qG9+lSG5IS3rWX+Q== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:e10:: with SMTP id y16mr38924813qkm.375.1618424364531; Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2620:10d:c0a8:1102:b7d:9c1c:b510:a315? ([2620:10d:c091:480::1:a65d]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r63sm178822qkf.23.2021.04.14.11.19.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Nathan Sidwell Subject: Re: removing toxic emailers To: Martin Jambor , "gcc@gcc.gnu.org" References: From: Nathan Sidwell Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 14:19:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3031.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_EF, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:19:26 -0000 On 4/14/21 12:52 PM, Martin Jambor wrote: > Hi Nathan, > > On Wed, Apr 14 2021, Nathan Sidwell wrote: >> Do we have a policy about removing list subscribers that send abusive or >> other toxic emails? do we have a code of conduct? Searching the wiki >> or website finds nothing. The mission statement mentions nothing. > > I think that (most?) people have already figured out that messages from > unfamiliar senders on certain topics have to be ignored. It is much > easier than any moderation, which would be ugly work (someone would have > to read the often horrible stuff). > > I think that you only "associate" with trolls if you feed them. I have > recently made that mistake on this list once and will not repeat it. I disagree. Their emails pollute the list. Just as I wouldn't like to go to a bar where there are noisy jerks in a corner, I don't like to frequent an ML where there are. Bouncers exist in physical space, is it so hard to electronically bounce jerks? Is it so hard to explicitly say 'be a jerk and be thrown out'? Their presence makes the place unwelcoming. nathan -- Nathan Sidwell