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From: Marc Glisse <marc.glisse@inria.fr>
To: Andrew MacLeod <amacleod@redhat.com>
Cc: gcc@gcc.gnu.org, Lawrence Crowl <crowl@google.com>,
	    Benjamin Kosnik <bkoz@redhat.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@redhat.com>,
	    Aldy Hernandez <aldyh@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: C++11 atomic library notes
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 08:40:00 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1110021021570.4182@laptop-mg.saclay.inria.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E879E4B.9030106@redhat.com>

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011, Andrew MacLeod wrote:

> On 10/01/2011 02:55 AM, Marc Glisse wrote:
>> 
>> "The compiler must ensure that for any given object, it either ALWAYS 
>> inlines lock free routines, OR calls the external routines. For any given 
>> object, these cannot be intermixed."
>> 
>> Why? You give an example explaining why it is fine to link 386 and 486 
>> objects, and I cant see the difference. Not that I'm advocating mixing 
>> them, just wondering whether it really matters if it happens (by accident).
>
> If we have an architecture which we cannot generate one of the functions for, 
> say __atomic_load_16, then it will have to use whatever the library supplies. 
> If you continues to generate all the rest of the __atomic builtins for 16 
> bytes using lock free instructions, and the call to the library turns out to 
> be a locked implementation at runtime, then atomic support for 16 byte 
> objects is broken. The load thinks its getting a lock, but none of the other 
> routines pay any attention to locks. So if one atomic operations requires 
> then library, they all do in order to get consistent behaviour.

Ah ok, I had understood:
* if __atomic_store_8 is inlined on line 18, it should also be inlined on 
line 42

when instead it is:
* we can't have a locked addition and a lock-free subtraction (hence the 
__atomic_is_lock_free which only takes a size as argument)

Makes perfect sense, thank you for the precision.

By the way, does it make sense to work atomically on a 16 byte object, and 
also work atomically on its first 8 bytes, thus potentially requiring 
__atomic_is_lock_free not to depend on the size?

-- 
Marc Glisse

  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-02  8:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4E862864.2010607@redhat.com>
2011-10-01  6:56 ` Marc Glisse
2011-10-01 23:12   ` Andrew MacLeod
2011-10-02  8:40     ` Marc Glisse [this message]
2011-10-02 13:56       ` Andrew MacLeod
2011-10-03 17:31 ` Richard Henderson
2011-10-03 17:54   ` Andrew MacLeod
2011-10-03 18:10     ` Richard Henderson
2011-10-03 19:52     ` Joseph S. Myers
2011-10-05  7:26 ` Jeffrey Yasskin
2011-10-05 18:58   ` Andrew MacLeod
2011-10-05 19:07     ` Jeffrey Yasskin
2011-10-05 20:12       ` Andrew MacLeod

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