From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from esa3.mentor.iphmx.com (esa3.mentor.iphmx.com [68.232.137.180]) by sourceware.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB25E3858002 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:45:30 +0000 (GMT) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 sourceware.org EB25E3858002 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=codesourcery.com Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=joseph_myers@mentor.com IronPort-SDR: eG9j31o5RbKpUql4BENcLzlJPY8wodwvzefRQiaCUfEmDBI7JvHTQoZNm/xpEqK9Kyu8x0PNLw 2MONaTqcK/mDQl3EQ68AdaHmruH0TfYebMWmaLCWzcv7BHY3Ii1n/Auz8HGI1TeJMuSVlBJY+B fz1OPR8kljCBtLBmAwa5wwG4ctRpDoTMy2bGG+M/ryiD7Bq4Ezt/laUsBt0naCdWZDVO2FMhr/ V4sqWfXeiEzdZvvEnyad07y7Rf8EwdxKcNAZtjkJZNNsHnJcs3bPLH0UWcTYISEniYntNJLGke 77c= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.81,291,1610438400"; d="scan'208";a="59660873" Received: from orw-gwy-02-in.mentorg.com ([192.94.38.167]) by esa3.mentor.iphmx.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2021 09:45:29 -0800 IronPort-SDR: FVzXylS6AM4NbZD2zE+tpeZSc9c+/T8GU2JCZmeM1FIGIPXOob8LE5OL0hVMKnSKwbfC6qbFnE m22ZXicekOiIEE0mwEkKsrjeAWVmfdwD75zdBPv8aZGlr1rqHp7MHv0UCm6kKEGxukYeJX2NJg d6dblatMWngI7AMuYd/DaiSCg75VWOeSMmTTa49r9yKtMrXPekQeNuSUdOMvrNVu6ms8n9nE8N 6aENRVVAhnh9e/2S5LhBjivPzyhHWwRPDTFfr71crgI2JGmgv7Ku796UzGMSi9p+RMLM9ngmnK APQ= Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:45:24 +0000 From: Joseph Myers X-X-Sender: jsm28@digraph.polyomino.org.uk To: JeanHeyd Meneide CC: Giacomo Tesio , GCC Development , Nathan Sidwell Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20210330151656.00007e20@tesio.it> User-Agent: Alpine 2.22 (DEB 394 2020-01-19) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Originating-IP: [137.202.0.90] X-ClientProxiedBy: svr-ies-mbx-09.mgc.mentorg.com (139.181.222.9) To svr-ies-mbx-01.mgc.mentorg.com (139.181.222.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3122.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, KAM_DMARC_STATUS, KAM_SHORT, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2, SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS, TXREP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on server2.sourceware.org X-BeenThere: gcc@gcc.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Gcc mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:45:32 -0000 On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, JeanHeyd Meneide via Gcc wrote: > So, it boils down to this for me: either GCC is a place where all > contributions are welcome, or GCC is a place of hypocrisy, where > contributions are welcome except when Stallman (or someone else in a > position of power) lobbies a non-technical, non-factual argument > against you and jumps from their high tower to slam down on > rank-and-file contributors and participants. You cannot have it both > ways. All contributions are welcome. One of the key functions of the SC is actually saying no to RMS. Central FSF or GNU project infrastructure is not used in developing GCC; gcc.gnu.org is entirely independent of central FSF or GNU infrastructure such as savannah. So RMS has no control over policies applied to GCC mailing lists, and any influence he might apply to the moderation of lists hosted on lists.gnu.org does not apply here. (Although GCC releases are uploaded to ftp.gnu.org, which is central GNU infrastructure, they are also available at https://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/releases/ .) He has an ordinary restricted user account on gcc.gnu.org giving the same access to push commits as most committers; he does not have shell or administrative access. -- Joseph S. Myers joseph@codesourcery.com